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Aviation de combat : Rafale, F35 et autres

n°44989179
7emeciel
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 15:34:16  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :

Ar Paotr a écrit :

J'imagine dans 8 mois l'Inde qui finit par dire "OK on s'est mis d'accord sur le prix ! On signe ! Euh... Quoi ? Le Qatar a validé l'option de 12 supplémentaires et les EAU en ont acheté 60 entre temps et ça repousse le début des livraisons pour nous à 2025 ??? Bon ben on annule tout alors :fou:" :D


une jolie fin d'histoire, on referme le livre et puis voilà [:emerveille]


Message édité par 7emeciel le 02-03-2016 à 15:34:51

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mood
Publicité
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 15:34:16  profilanswer
 

n°44991388
Gottorp
Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 18:57:37  profilanswer
 

Serge va ouvrir une nouvelle usine :o


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n°44992010
gliterr
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 20:14:49  profilanswer
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :


 
Si j'en parle, c'est que justement il y a eu des annonces et des confirmations.
 
Obelix avait déjà mention du fait que finalement le F-35 n'était pas exclu de la future nouvelle compétition.

Ca n'est absolument pas nouveau, on en avait déja parlé sur ce fil.
Si j'ai bonne mémoire, tu n'as pas répondus à mes remarques, comme d'hab.
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :

Or en plus de celà, le Canada a été pressé par les autres membres du programme, a précisé leur position (si ils restent ou si ils en sortent), et sans surprise finalement, le Canada a confirmé qu'il restait impliqué dans le programme JSF.
 
Ce qui veut dire qu'en même pas deux mois, et seulement quelques mois après leur élection , Trudeau et cie ont tout bonnement décidé le contraire de leurs promesses de campagne sur le F-35.


Et le rapport avec la compet ?
Des politiciens qui font de la politique, et tu essayes de nous faire croire que cela t'étonne ?  

n°44992033
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 20:19:16  profilanswer
 

http://media.defense.gov/2016/Feb/26/2001459642/-1/-1/0/151030-F-JH400-6805.JPG
 

Citation :

ACC F-35A working up to IOC


 
Et sinon, les premiers témoignages sur le dogfight, par un pilote norvégien:
 

Citation :

The F-35 in a dogfight – what have I learned so far?
 
Kampflybloggen (The Combat Aircraft Blog) is the official blog of the Norwegian F-35 Program Office within the Norwegian Ministry of Defence. The author of this post, Major Morten «Dolby» Hanche, has more than 2200 hours behind him in the F-16, he is a U.S. Navy Test Pilot School graduate, and on 10 November 2015 he became the first Norwegian to fly the F-35. He now serves as an instructor and as the Assistant Weapons Officer with the 62nd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.  
 
I now have several sorties behind me in the F-35 where the mission has been to train within visual range combat one-on-one, or «Basic Fighter Maneuvers» (BFM). In a previous post I wrote about aerial combat in general (English version available), and about the likelihood that the F-35 would ever end up in such a situation. In this post, however, I write more specifically about my experiences with the F-35 when it does end up in a dogfight. Again, I use the F-16 as my reference. As an F-35-user I still have a lot to learn, but I am left with several impressions. For now my conclusion is that this is an airplane that allows me to be more forward and aggressive than I could ever be in an F-16.
 
I’ll start by talking a little about how we train BFM. This particular situation – a dogfight one-on-one between two airplanes – may be more or less likely to occur, as I have described in a previous blog post (Norwegian only). Nonetheless, this kind of training is always important, because it builds fundamental pilot skills. In this kind of training we usually start out from defined parameters, with clearly offensive, defensive or neutral roles. This kind of disciplined approach to the basic parameters is important, because it makes it easier to extract learning in retrospect – a methodical approach to train for air combat.
 
A typical training setup begins at a distance of one, two or three kilometers from the attacker to the defender. The minimum distance is 300 meters. That kind of restriction may seem conservative, but 300 meters disappears quickly in a combat aircraft. Starting at different distances allows us to vary the focus of each engagement. Greater distance means more energy, higher g-loads and often ends in a prolonged engagement. A short distance usually means that the main objective is to practice gun engagements, either attacking or defending.
 
Before the training begins, we always check whether we are “fit for fight”; will I be able to withstand the g-load today? «G-awareness exercise» implies two relatively tight turns, with gradually increasing g-load. My experience is that especially dehydration, but also lack of sleep affects g-tolerance negatively. If someone has a «bad g-day», we adjust the exercises accordingly and avoid high g-loads.
 
As the offensive part, the training objective is to exploit every opportunity to kill your opponent with all available weapons – both missiles and guns – while maneuvering towards a stable position behind the opponent. From this «control position» it is possible to effectively employ both missiles and the gun, without the opponent being able to evade or return fire.
 
So how does the the F-35 behave in a dogfight? The offensive role feels somewhat different from what I am used to with the F-16. In the F-16, I had to be more patient than in the F-35, before pointing my nose at my opponent to employ weapons; pointing my nose and employing, before being safely established in the control position, would often lead to a role reversal, where the offensive became the defensive part.
 
The F-35 provides me as a pilot greater authority to point the nose of the airplane where I desire. (The F-35 is capable of significantly higher Angle of Attack (AOA) than the F-16. Angle of Attack describes the angle between the longitudinal axis of the plane – where nose is pointing – and where the aircraft is actually heading – the vector). This improved ability to point at my opponent enables me to deliver weapons earlier than I am used to with the F-16, it forces my opponent to react even more defensively, and it gives me the ability to reduce the airspeed quicker than in the F-16.
 
Update: Since I first wrote this post, I have flown additional sorties where I tried an even more aggressive approach to the control position – more aggressive than I thought possible. It worked just fine. The F-35 sticks on like glue, and it is very difficult for the defender to escape.
 
Classic maneuvering towards the control position with an F-16 (blue arrow); the offensive aircraft moves to reduce the difference in angle, and to end up behind its opponent.
Maneuvering towards the control position with an F-35 (blue arrow) the offensive party can allow a greater difference in angle (more on the side than behind, and still remain established in the control position.
 
It may be difficult to understand why a fighter should be able to «brake» quickly. In the offensive role, this becomes important whenever I point my nose at an opponent who turns towards me. This results in a rapidly decreasing distance between our two airplanes. Being able to slow down quicker provides me the opportunity to maintain my nose pointed towards my opponent longer, thus allowing more opportunities to employ weapons, before the distance decreases so much that a role reversal takes place.
 
To sum it up, my experience so far is that the F-35 makes it easier for me to maintain the offensive role, and it provides me more opportunities to effectively employ weapons at my opponent.
 
In the defensive role the same characteristics are valuable. I can «whip» the airplane around in a reactive maneuver while slowing down. The F-35 can actually slow down quicker than you´d be able to emergency brake your car. This is important because my opponent has to react to me «stopping, or risk ending up in a role-reversal where he flies past me. (Same principle as many would have seen in Top Gun; «hit the brakes, and he’ll fly right by.» But me quoting Top Gun does not make the movie a documentary)
 
 
Defensive situations often result in high AOA and low airspeeds. At high AOA the F-16 reacts slowly when I move the stick sideways to roll the airplane. The best comparison I can think of is being at the helm of ship (without me really knowing what I am talking about – I’m not a sailor). Yet another quality of the F-35 becomes evident in this flight regime; using the rudder pedals I can command the nose of the airplane from side to side. The F-35 reacts quicker to my pedal inputs than the F-16 would at its maximum AOA (the F-16 would actually be out of control at this AOA). This gives me an alternate way of pointing the airplane where I need it to, in order to threaten an opponent. This «pedal turn» yields an impressive turn rate, even at low airspeeds. In a defensive situation, the «pedal turn» provides me the ability to rapidly neutralize a situation, or perhaps even reverse the roles entirely.
 
The overall experience of flying the F-35 in aerial combat is different from what I’m used to with the F-16. One obvious difference is that the F-35 shakes quite a bit at high g-loadings and at high angles of attack, while the F-16 hardly shakes at all. The professional terminology is «buffeting», which I also described in an earlier blog post (English version available). This buffeting serves as useful feedback, but it can also be a disadvantage. Because the buffeting only begins at moderate angles of attack, it provides me an intuitive feel for how much I am demanding from the aircraft; what is happening to my overall energy state? On the other hand, several pilots have had trouble reading the information which is displayed on the helmet visor, due to the buffeting. Most of the pilots here at Luke fly with the second-generation helmet. I fly with the third-generation helmet, and I have not found this to be a real issue.
 
 
What I initially found to a bit negative in visual combat was the cockpit view, which wasn´t as good as in the F-16. The cockpit view from the F-16 was good – better than in any other fighter I have flown. I could turn around and look at the opposite wingtip; turn to the right, look over the «back» of the airplane and see the left wingtip. That´s not quite possible in the F-35, because the headrest blocks some of the view. Therefore, I was a bit frustrated during my first few BFM-sorties. However, It turned out that practice was all it took to improve the situation. Now I compensate by moving forward in the seat and leaning slightly sideways, before turning my head and looking backwards. In this way I can look around the sides of the seat. I also use my hands to brace against the cockpit glass and the canopy frame. With regards to cockpit view alone, I had an advantage in the F-16, but I am still able to maintain visual contact with my opponent during aggressive maneuvering in the F-35. The cockpit view is not a limitation with regards to being effective in visual combat, and it would be a misunderstanding to present this as a genuine problem with the F-35.
 
On the positive side I would like to highlight how the F-35 feels in the air. I am impressed with the stability and predictability of the airplane. Particularly at high AOA and low airspeeds. It is a peculiar feeling to be flying the F-35 at high AOA. I can pull the nose up to where my feet «sit» on the horizon and still maintain level altitude. I’m also impressed by how quickly the F-35 accelerates when I reduce the AOA. High AOA produces lots of lift, but also tremendous induced drag. When I «break» the AOA, it is evident that the F-35 has a powerful engine. The F-35 also makes a particular sound at this point. When I quickly reduce the AOA – stick full forward – I can hear clearly, even inside the «cockpit» how the F-35 howls! It seems like the «howling» is a mix of airflow over the wings and a different kind of noise from the engine. Maybe this isn’t all that relevant, but I still think it´s a funny observation. Another aspect is the kind of reaction I get when I push the stick forward; the F-35 reacts immediately, and not delayed like the F-16. Looking at another F-35 doing such maneuvers is an impressive sight. The various control surfaces on the airplane are large, and they move very quickly. I can monitor these movements on the screens in my cockpit, and I´m fascinated by how the control surfaces move when I manipulate the stick and pedals. Especially at high AOA, it is not always intuitive what control surfaces move, and by how much.


 
http://nettsteder.regjeringen.no/k [...] ed-so-far/


Message édité par Ibo_Simon le 02-03-2016 à 20:21:03
n°44992193
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 20:35:23  profilanswer
 

Une belle vidéo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2AderSaerg
 
Avec pour ceux qui connaissent, un passage du Jedi Transition vu de l'intérieur et en vitesse réelle. :D

n°44992198
maouuu
Cherche caresses/croquettes
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 20:36:06  profilanswer
 

Il est magnifique quand même ....

n°44992499
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 21:06:34  profilanswer
 

Le F-18 magnifique ??? :ouch: :ouch:

n°44993005
maouuu
Cherche caresses/croquettes
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 21:41:30  profilanswer
 

Le Feu-35

n°44993207
7emeciel
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 21:54:45  profilanswer
 

Jarod 03 a écrit :

Le F-18 magnifique ??? :ouch: :ouch:


Le super hornet? Oui quand même...


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n°44993400
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:15:17  profilanswer
 

7emeciel a écrit :


Le super hornet? Oui quand même...


 
Peu importe lequel des F-18 ! Je dis pas qu'il est moche, mais de là à dire qu'il est magnifique, quand même ! Je préfère le F-35 c'est dire !

mood
Publicité
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:15:17  profilanswer
 

n°44993450
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:18:58  profilanswer
 

Moi le SU-35. Il reste magnifique.
 
http://i.imgur.com/qyD0CLf.jpg
 
 
http://i.imgur.com/mFqWIFP.jpg


Message édité par galwhen le 02-03-2016 à 22:22:15

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n°44993515
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:24:09  profilanswer
 

Ce n'est pas un Su-35 sur les 2 photos. :D
 
Tu peux discerner sur la 1ère, les canards.


Message édité par Ibo_Simon le 02-03-2016 à 22:25:09
n°44993524
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:24:46  profilanswer
 

C'est google qui s'est planté alors.


Message édité par galwhen le 02-03-2016 à 22:26:53

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n°44993537
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:26:28  profilanswer
 

"Tu peux discerner sur la 1ère, les canards"
 
Ah, pas faux.


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n°44993562
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:27:47  profilanswer
 

C'est la version d'entrainement Su-35UB il me semble.  :o

 

Le Su-35 de base est monoplace aussi. :)


Message édité par MacEugene le 02-03-2016 à 22:28:05
n°44993569
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:28:29  profilanswer
 

Mais avec ou sans canards, ça reste mon oiseau de proie préféré :o


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n°44993578
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:29:25  profilanswer
 

Oui donc les Su-27 en général :o

n°44993594
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:30:23  profilanswer
 

Putain, si on peut même plus compter sur Gogole pour avoir des images correspondant aux recherches...


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Mais bon, ce que j'en dis moi, hein...  Le topic de HP Lovecraft et Cthulhu
n°44993606
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:30:46  profilanswer
 

Les Su-35 (mono comme bi) n'ont plus de canards.
 
L'avion des 2 photos, c'est un SU-30MKA, en cours de livraison à l'Algérie.

n°44993610
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:30:53  profilanswer
 

Jarod 03 a écrit :

Oui donc les Su-27 en général :o


Voilà, c'est un bon résumé :D


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n°44993612
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:30:59  profilanswer
 

galwhen a écrit :

Putain, si on peut même plus compter sur Gogole pour avoir des images correspondant aux recherches...


 
Google repose entièrement sur la fiabilité des mecs qui tagent la photo.  :o

n°44993614
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:31:18  profilanswer
 

Faut pas s'étonner que les journaleux se vautre aussi souvent dans leurs articles en faisant la même chose :lol:

n°44993638
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:33:00  profilanswer
 

Bon après, il y a des erreurs compréhensibles, comme là.
Mais le mec qui confond un Tornado et un mig-31, je pense qu'il peut porter plainte contre son ophtalmo. :D

n°44993645
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:33:35  profilanswer
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :

Les Su-35 (mono comme bi) n'ont plus de canards.
 
L'avion des 2 photos, c'est un SU-30MKA, en cours de livraison à l'Algérie.


 
La photo n'étant pas daté, le fait qu'ils n'en aient plus n'est pas vraiment pertinent.  :o  :o  :o

n°44993653
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:34:44  profilanswer
 

MacEugene a écrit :


 
La photo n'étant pas daté, le fait qu'ils n'en aient plus n'est pas vraiment pertinent.  :o  :o  :o


 
Datée et située par le photographe lui-même: http://www.airliners.net/photo/1033272/M/

n°44993658
maouuu
Cherche caresses/croquettes
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:35:17  profilanswer
 

Celui que je n'aimait pas au début, mais que j'adore maintenant c'est le SU-34

n°44993663
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:35:28  profilanswer
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :


 
Datée et située par le photographe lui-même: http://www.airliners.net/photo/1033272/M/


 
D'ou le triple redface quand même.  :o

n°44993667
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:35:47  profilanswer
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :

Bon après, il y a des erreurs compréhensibles, comme là.
Mais le mec qui confond un Tornado et un mig-31, je pense qu'il peut porter plainte contre son ophtalmo. :D


 
Y'a quelques mois le 20min s'est plus que vautré écrivant "Rafale" sur une photo avec 2 Mirage 2000. Lendemain, erratum, pour dire qu'ils se sont trompé en qu'en faite il s'agit d'Alpha Jet...  :lol:

n°44993698
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:38:30  profilanswer
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :

Les Su-35 (mono comme bi) n'ont plus de canards.
 
L'avion des 2 photos, c'est un SU-30MKA, en cours de livraison à l'Algérie.


T'es certain ?
 
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/09/p [...] -jet-deal/
 
Ou alors ils ont pris n'importe quelle photo pour illustrer leur article :o

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Message édité par galwhen le 02-03-2016 à 22:39:27

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n°44993721
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:40:41  profilanswer
 

galwhen a écrit :


T'es certain ?
 
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/09/p [...] -jet-deal/
 
Ou alors ils ont pris n'importe quelle photo pour illustrer leur article :o


 
Non mais c'est sur.  
Je viens donner un exemple du 20min qui se vautre deux fois pour un M2000, alors un média internet avec un Su-35 avec toutes les versions qu'il y'a eu, c'est triste, mais ça ne me surprend pas..

n°44993763
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:44:00  profilanswer
 

galwhen a écrit :


T'es certain ?
 
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/09/p [...] -jet-deal/
 
Ou alors ils ont pris n'importe quelle photo pour illustrer leur article :o


 
Son lien airliners plus haut en réponse à ma boutade est une photo du même avion posté par le photographe, et identifié correctement. C'est bien un Su-30MKI.  
 
Après osef, c'est compliqué de vraiment identifier les variantes de SU à l’œil nu, surtout quand t'y connais rien.

n°44993770
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:44:35  profilanswer
 

Les Russes eux-même se perdent ds leur désignation, donc rien d'étonnant que tout le monde surtout sur internet soit aussi perdu qu'eux.
 
D'ailleurs un truc marrant, c'est que récemment, que je me suis rendu compte que le constructeur des Su-35 n'était pas Sukhoï. [:ddr555]

n°44993773
galwhen
Fumble
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:44:45  profilanswer
 

Enfin bon, ça reste un très bel oiseau, malgré les années qui passent :o
 
Sa ligne reste unique et vieillit bien je trouve.


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n°44993784
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:45:48  profilanswer
 

Ibo_Simon a écrit :

Les Russes eux-même se perdent ds leur désignation, donc rien d'étonnant que tout le monde surtout sur internet soit aussi perdu qu'eux.
 
D'ailleurs un truc marrant, c'est que récemment, que je me suis rendu compte que le constructeur des Su-35 n'était pas Sukhoï. [:ddr555]


 
J'ai l'impression que Sukhoi n'est plus qu'un bureau de conception et ne fabrique plus rien.

n°44993799
MacEugene
This is the Way.
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:47:18  profilanswer
 

Ouais voila c'est du beau bordel à la Russe:
 

Citation :

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, each of the multitude of bureaus and factories producing Sukhoi components was privatized independently. In 1996, the government re-gathered the major part of them forming Sukhoi Aviation Military Industrial Combine (Sukhoi AIMC).[3] In parallel, other entities, including Ulan Ude factory, Tbilisi factory, Belarus and Ukraine factories, established alternate transnational Sukhoi Attack Aircraft (producing e.g. Su-25 TM).[3]
 
The Sukhoi AIMC comprises the JSC Sukhoi Design Bureau located in Moscow, the Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association (NAPO), the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) and Irkutsk Aviation. Sukhoi is headquartered in Moscow. Finmeccanica owns 25% + 1 share of Sukhoi's civil division.[4] The Russian government merged Sukhoi with Mikoyan, Ilyushin, Irkut, Tupolev, and Yakovlev as a new company named United Aircraft Corporation.[5] Mikoyan and Sukhoi were placed within the same operating unit.[6]


 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi

n°44993806
Jarod 03
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:47:56  profilanswer
 

Autant dire que le PAK-FA est sur de bon rails... !

n°44993820
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 02-03-2016 à 22:49:31  profilanswer
 

MacEugene a écrit :

Ouais voila c'est du beau bordel à la Russe:
 

Citation :

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, each of the multitude of bureaus and factories producing Sukhoi components was privatized independently. In 1996, the government re-gathered the major part of them forming Sukhoi Aviation Military Industrial Combine (Sukhoi AIMC).[3] In parallel, other entities, including Ulan Ude factory, Tbilisi factory, Belarus and Ukraine factories, established alternate transnational Sukhoi Attack Aircraft (producing e.g. Su-25 TM).[3]
 
The Sukhoi AIMC comprises the JSC Sukhoi Design Bureau located in Moscow, the Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association (NAPO), the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) and Irkutsk Aviation. Sukhoi is headquartered in Moscow. Finmeccanica owns 25% + 1 share of Sukhoi's civil division.[4] The Russian government merged Sukhoi with Mikoyan, Ilyushin, Irkut, Tupolev, and Yakovlev as a new company named United Aircraft Corporation.[5] Mikoyan and Sukhoi were placed within the same operating unit.[6]


 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi


 
et ça a changé de nom déjà, pour adopter celui..... d'Irkut. [:ddr555]  
Des fois, on dirait qu'ils font le max pour que plus personne ne puisse suivre les projets.

n°44996207
Mercius
In Frog we trust.
Posté le 03-03-2016 à 10:21:44  profilanswer
 

Et pour les bombes je te raconte pas, c'est pire.

n°44997918
Fry777
Posté le 03-03-2016 à 12:29:18  profilanswer
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Facg5eKBos
 
Le futur de chez Northrop [:o_doc]  
 
Les chasseurs a la 10e seconde font penser au projet F121

n°45016001
vinko
Posté le 04-03-2016 à 22:50:20  profilanswer
 

Beau avions, plutot bien filmé, environnement sympa (voir magnifique  :love: ), enjoy !  [:lynk]  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JultKcPcKjk

n°45034387
Ibo_Simon
Posté le 07-03-2016 à 12:27:18  profilanswer
 

Les F-35 de l'AF au récent Redflag:
 

Citation :

AF Times
F-35s Overwhelming and Revolutionized Red Flag

By TSgt Joe Snuffy
 
F-35s with the USAF Fighter Weapon School of Nellis AFB were the first to partake in Red Flag. Though all participating pilots of the F-35s graduated the USAF Fighter Weapon School in the F-35, their main objective was to apply what they have learned and to further develop and refine the curriculum of future Lightning II pilots. The experience gained from the pilots and maintainers of the F-35 will go a long way to better provide more knowledge to other F-35 units.
 
As usual Air Force units from around the US attended Red Flag as well as EA-18G Growlers from the USN. US Navy Growlers for the first time got to work in a mass exercise with the US Air Force's version of the F-35; the F-35A. EWOs of the Growlers were astounded by the effect the F-35 had for their aircraft. "The biggest difference that we noticed was the synergetic effect the F-35s had for our role. The F-35s advanced passive sensors gathered all the data we needed and then communicated to us what we had to do. It definitely made my life easier". Not to be out done, the F-35 also had a few tricks up its sleeves to assist the Growlers. "I didn't believe it until I saw it but the F-35 was doing almost as much EW as we were. It was easier for them because they are stealthy".
 
The F-35 is the largest international partnership and military contract in history. Many nations participating in this years Red Flag at Nellis AFB are nations that are getting their own F-35s. Nations such as Australia, Denmark, England, and South Korea.
 
RAF Typhoons who will soon be flying and operating with their own F-35Bs had a chance to really see what they had waiting for them. RAF Typhoon pilot John "Cricket" Edward had this to say. "We're currently building our own fleet of F-35s. This was our first chance to see what they can really do and I have to say I am impressed. Its capabilities were far more than what I expected". The knowledge gained from these Typhoon pilots will greatly assist them in developing tactics for their own fleet of F-35s.  
 
F-35s were designed to network with other aircraft and platforms creating a level of connectivity and synergy that is unlike anything before it. More impressive is the synergetic effect that F-35 has with other F-35s as well as the F-22 Raptor. Raptors have been flying at Red Flag for some time now and with the F-35; one pilot put as "night and day". Major K, an F-22 pilot of 4 years with over 500 hours in the F-22 had more to learn. "We've been flying at Red Flag for some time now and we thought we had a good handle on things. We've refined tactics in the F-22 but what the F-35 brings, we might as well start writing a new book". Captain J another F-22 pilot with 1 combat deployment during OIR was impressed with what the F-35 brings to the table. "This was one of the hardest Red Flags I've participated in. Not so much because of our opponents but because of the learning curve". F-35s along with F-22s created a deadly effect. F-16 Aggressor pilot Lt.Col "Soup" Campbell says, "Every time those two aircraft were together; it was like flying into a brick wall. My aircraft is great in a close range dogfight but with those two I couldn't even get there".
 
Also attending this years Red Flag again were Su-30MKIs from India. This would be their third time in Red Flag at Nellis since 2016. The Su-30MKIs had new electronics and an upgraded engine. Indian pilots were surprised with the F-35. The Su-30MKIs performed as they expected but the F-35 was more than they were ready for. Indian pilots were excited to fly with the F-35 but they showed less enthusiasm when they flew against it. An Indian pilot of the Su-30MKI described it as "very challenging". India will be getting their own stealth aircraft but theirs is a partnership with Russian aerospace company Sukhoi currently testing and developing their HAL FGFA.
 
With just its first appearance the F-35 Lightning II has already made it's mark on Red Flag. After action reports have all claimed that the F-35 was "overwhelming" and "revolutionary". Despite this the F-35 pilots and maintainers still confess that they have a long way to go. USAF Fighter Weapon School instructor as well as F-35 pilot had this to say, "I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg. We'll be flying this jet for years to come so we still have more to learn".


 
Les Indiens peu enthousiastes avatn et après s'être mesurés au F-35 au final. :D

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