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Conflit au moyen-orient (Israël, Palestine ...) [Warning Modération]

n°72431355
the veggie​ boy
Who's taking my Lorazepam?
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:04:25  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/ [...] rom-israel
 

Citation :

Eyal Barad was in the safe room of his home in Nir Oz for more than 12 hours on Oct. 7 while Palestinians went on a rampage of his Gaza envelope kibbutz, eventually kidnapping or murdering more than a quarter of its residents. (...) Most of the time, though, Barad was glued to his phone, watching the live feed of a camera he had recently installed outside his home to monitor speeding cars. Images from the feed, which I obtained, show Palestinian women and children—some appearing as young as 8 years old—taking part in the horror of that day.
 
Survivors’ accounts, video evidence, and the interrogation recordings of apprehended Palestinians paint a damning picture of the complicity of Gazan civilians both in the Oct. 7 attack, in which more than 1,200 people were murdered and 240 people were abducted to Gaza, and its aftermath. It is one that has sparked a debate in Israel that challenges the inclination to draw distinctions between ordinary Palestinian civilians of Gaza—often referred to in Israel as bilti me’uravim (uninvolved)—and their terror leaders. For many, Oct. 7 reeked of something that Jews have been familiar with for centuries; a phenomenon where not just a vanguard, but a society at large participates in the ritual slaughter of Jews.
 
Around 700 Palestinians stormed Barad’s kibbutz of Nir Oz—less than a five-minute drive from Gaza—that day, CCTV footage shows. The overwhelming majority of those, estimated by Eran Smilansky, a member of the kibbutz’s security squad, to be around 550, were civilians. They were largely unarmed and not in uniform. Some of those civilians carried out wholesale acts of terror themselves, including rape and abduction—and in some cases, the eventual sale of hostages to Hamas—while others abetted the terrorists. Others still simply took advantage of the porous border to loot Israeli homes and farms, including stealing hundreds of thousands of shekels in agricultural equipment.
 
(...)
 
Differentiating between terrorists and civilians is tricky, particularly since Hamas terrorists often wear civilian clothing, a tactic evident in the ongoing war in Gaza. However, other indicators help make this distinction, such as the absence of weapons and the fact that many were filmed crossing the border barefoot or even on horseback. Even senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk readily admitted that Gaza civilians had taken part in the Oct. 7 atrocities.
 
One video shows a group of men in civilian clothing beating a soldier while a separate image shows another group of what appears to be civilian men celebrating atop the smoking husk of a burned-out tank. In the infamous 47-minute terror reel of the Oct. 7 atrocities, Palestinians in civilian clothing are seen beating elderly hostages with sticks. Another repeatedly screams “Allahu akbar!” as he decapitates a Thai farm worker with a garden tool.
 
Barad’s speed camera in Nir Oz includes images of a Palestinian girl riding a stolen bike. In another, a Palestinian woman is seen pointing out Barad’s neighbor’s home to a uniformed terrorist. An image captured later shows a resident of that home being hoisted onto a motorcycle to be taken into Gaza.
 
But it’s the testimonies of the survivors that provide the clearest evidence that Oct. 7 was not just a terrorist attack, but a pogrom.
 
Batya Holin is a photographer and peace activist from Kfar Aza, which alongside Nir Oz and Be’eri, was one of the heaviest-hit communities. Holin had developed a friendship with a Gazan photographer, Mahmoud, with whom she arranged a joint exhibit last year of photos of her kibbutz and his village in the Gaza Strip. On the morning of Oct. 7, Mahmoud called and interrogated Holin, asking her how many soldiers were in her vicinity. That was when Holin realized that Mahmoud had given the photos of her village to Hamas.
 
(...)
 
Echoing Holin’s testimony, former hostage Nili Margalit said that “civilians, regular people,” abducted her to Gaza in one of the kibbutz’s golf carts. Likewise, an NBC News investigation found that Noa Argamani was likely kidnapped by a civilian mob. A video of her abduction shows her unarmed captors wearing regular clothes. Argamani may have been later handed over or sold to Hamas.
 
(...)
 
Then there are the Gazans who worked at the kibbutzim. Yohanan’s husband, a farmer, is one of many people in the Gaza periphery communities who hired Palestinian workers from Gaza. Like many others I spoke to, Yohanan believed that the terrorists were acting on inside knowledge obtained by those Gazan workers. Israel had gradually raised the number of work permits in the months leading up to Oct. 7 with an estimated 18,500 Gazans working in Israel before the onslaught. The thinking behind the policy was that economic incentives to the residents of the Strip would sustain the fragile peace. Hanan Dann, from Kfar Aza, told me that he was “glad that workers from Gaza were coming to Israel to have jobs and meet Israelis, to see that we’re not all devils.”
 
In several of the devastated communities, detailed maps were found on the bodies of dead terrorists, maps that residents say could have only been drawn up by people with intimate knowledge of the area. Gazan workers relayed an extensive range of information to Hamas that enabled the terror group to plan its attack with extraordinary meticulousness, including the identities and residences of security heads, the locations of electric boards and communications systems and how to disable them.
 
The workers’ betrayal left an indelible mark on the surviving kibbutzniks, leading many to reexamine previously held beliefs about their Palestinian neighbors. Nir Oz, like many of the other ravaged kibbutzim in the area, was home to scores of peace activists, many of whom volunteered for a program known as Road to Recovery, driving sick Gazans to Israeli hospitals for treatment. Many now believe that while there are Gazans who want to live in peace, they do not represent the majority; or, as one survivor summed it up to AFP, “there are more who don’t want us alive.”
 
Irit Lahav, whose parents were from Nir Oz’s founding members, described the community as a “peace lovers’” kibbutz. “It broke my heart. How can we ever get over this sense of betrayal?” Lahav, who shuttled Palestinian cancer patients several hours from the border with Gaza to their treatments in central Israel, told me. “The Palestinian public simply hates us.”
 
(...)
 
IDF Sgt. Adir Tahar was murdered and decapitated during the invasion while manning a post near the Erez border crossing. His father, David, was forced to bury his son’s body without his head. An interrogation of two Palestinians by Israel’s Shin Bet security agency revealed that the remains of the head—which had been mutilated until it barely resembled a human skull—were kept in the freezer of an ice cream store in Gaza. One of the men had tried to sell the head for $10,000. The man in question was a Palestinian civilian and not a Hamas operative, Tahar told me.
 
(...)
 
In several cases, Palestinian families held hostages in their homes. Released hostage Mia Schem said she was being held by a family in Gaza. “Entire families are in the service of Hamas,” she told Channel 13. Avigail Idan, the 4-year-old Israeli American whose parents were murdered, was also held in the homes of several Palestinian families. When former hostage Russian Israeli Roni Krivoi remarkably managed to escape his captors during an Israeli air raid, he hid alone for several days before being discovered by Gaza civilians, he said, who returned him to Hamas.
 
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mood
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Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:04:25  profilanswer
 

n°72431419
DooMIII
Séminariste en reconversion
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:12:04  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :


 
euh, non
 
"We are fighting human animals” said Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant. #palestine #gaza
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZbPdR3E4hCk/mqdefault.jpg
 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/galla [...] n-history/
 

Citation :

Standing alongside his partners in Israel’s newly announced war cabinet, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on Wednesday pledged to obliterate Hamas, at the close of the fifth day of war against the terror group controlling the Gaza Strip. Hundreds of Hamas terrorists burst into southern Israel and carried out a devastating assault on Saturday, killing at least 1,200 people, most of whom were civilians, and many of whom were massacred.
 
“We will wipe out this thing called Hamas,” Gallant said in the Wednesday evening press conference. “Hamas — the Islamic State of Gaza — will be wiped from the face of the earth. It will not continue to exist. There will be no situation in which Israeli children are murdered and we all go about our business.”
 
Gallant described the Hamas onslaught as “the worst terror attack the world has ever seen.” And he cited “children bound together and murdered, people burned, barbaric deeds that the Jewish people has not suffered since 1945.”



 
L'article de Time of Israel ne cite même pas le passage dont je parle [:la chancla:5]  
 

Citation :

I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.


 
Sinon dans la vidéo c'est bien au milieu de mesures ciblant toute la population palestinienne (blocus de nourriture, électricité, eau etc) , donc il n'est pas du tout évident que le terme "human animals" se réfère uniquement aux militants du Hamas. Les otages eux-mêmes, puisque tu reviens complaisamment sur ce sujet, ont également soufferts de manque d'eau et de nourriture, tout comme des millions de civils Palestiniens.
 
Et je suis loin le seul à l'avoir interprété comme ça en tout cas. Bernie Sanders par exemple https://www.youtube.com/shorts/El4MZPzlGy4. Et ça a certainement joué dans le mandat d'arrêt CPI

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Message édité par DooMIII le 20-02-2025 à 20:15:34

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n°72431479
the veggie​ boy
Who's taking my Lorazepam?
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:23:15  profilanswer
 

DooMIII a écrit :


Les otages eux-mêmes, puisque tu reviens complaisamment sur ce sujet


aie un minum de decence stp, apres les obscenites immondes que tu as posté


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n°72431517
the veggie​ boy
Who's taking my Lorazepam?
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:31:30  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :


 
une occasion manquee pour Israel de bombarder bcp de Hamas en uniformes, vu cette video


 
effectivement
 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed [...] r-in-gaza/
 

Citation :

A Palestinian terrorist responsible for killing dozens of Israelis who was released from prison just days ago was seen in media footage at the Hamas handover of bodies of four slain hostages Thursday.
 
Mohammed Abu Warda, a former commander in Hamas’s armed wing, was serving 48 life sentences in Israel for masterminding multiple terror attacks that killed 45 people, including a 1996 bombing on a Jerusalem bus that left 24 dead.
 
He was released by Israel on February 8 along with other terror convicts as part of the ongoing hostage-ceasefire deal with the Hamas terror group.
 
According to Hebrew media, Abu Warda was the prisoner with the highest number life sentences to be released so far during the truce. He served 23 years.
 
Though he was reportedly slated to be deported to Egypt, Abu Warda was seen Thursday morning at a Khan Younis stage where the terror group held a ceremony marking the transfer of what is said were the bodies of four Israeli hostages: Shiri Bibas, her two young children Ariel and Kfir, and octogenarian peace activist Oded Lifshitz, all of whom were kidnapped alive by terrorists on October 7, 2023.


 
apres, s'il compte effectivement rester a Gaza plutot quese cacher dans un autre pays, on peut quand meme esperer que ses jours soient comptés


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roland-
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:31:58  profilanswer
 

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joams
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:42:37  profilanswer
 

Rasthor a écrit :

Ils auraient été tués dans des frappes de Tsahal... donc partant de là....  [:littlebill]  


Tu penses vraiment, qu ils vont assumer leurs décès [:4lkaline:2]  


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Rasthor
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:47:11  profilanswer
 

joams a écrit :


Tu penses vraiment, qu ils vont assumer leurs décès [:4lkaline:2]

Tsahal ? Non, ils vont toujours nier, ce qu'ils font depuis novembre 2023, quand le Hamas a annoncé leurs décès.

 


Plus sérieusement, c'est impossible d'avoir la vérité sur ça. Ont-ils été abattus lors d'une frappe de Tsahal, ou abattus par le Hamas (ou autre groupe), les deux hypothèses sont tout aussi probables. Mais peu importe en fait, dans les deux cas, ils n'auraient jamais du être pris en otage.

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n°72431648
DooMIII
Séminariste en reconversion
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:50:49  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :


aie un minum de decence stp, apres les obscenites immondes que tu as posté

 

Baisse d'un ton stp. Tu ne vis même pas en Israël -ce que l'on peut au moins concéder à Dworkin - et tu ne cesses de lier les civils gazaouis et les terroristes.

 

On se demande bien dans quel but.

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Message édité par DooMIII le 20-02-2025 à 20:53:42

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n°72431661
rionsnoir
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:53:32  profilanswer
 

Rasthor a écrit :

Tsahal ? Non, ils vont toujours nier, ce qu'ils font depuis novembre 2023, quand le Hamas a annoncé leurs décès.

 


Plus sérieusement, c'est impossible d'avoir la vérité sur ça. Ont-ils été abattus lors d'une frappe de Tsahal, ou abattus par le Hamas (ou autre groupe), les deux hypothèses sont tout aussi probables. Mais peu importe en fait, dans les deux cas, ils n'auraient jamais du être pris en otage.

 

Ba déjà va y avoir une autopsie.


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n°72431667
the veggie​ boy
Who's taking my Lorazepam?
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:54:36  profilanswer
 

DooMIII a écrit :


Baisse d'un ton stp.

 

c'est mauvais pour mon image ? :??:

 
DooMIII a écrit :


Ta citation est fausse.
Gallant, poursuivi par la justice internationale pour des crimes contre l’humanité et des crimes de guerre a comparé toute la population Palestinienne à des animaux.

 

aucun quote ne parle de l'ensemble de la population
c'est ton interpretation

 
DooMIII a écrit :


Tu ne vis même pas en Israël -ce que l'on peut au moins concéder à Dworkin - et tu ne cesse de lier les civils gazaouis et les terroristes.

 

des tas de civils gazaouis ont participe activement au 7 octobre et a ses suites
c'est suffisamment documenté
je ne les ais jamais mis absolument tous dans le meme sac, donc mollo avec les accusations abusives
mais je ne vois pas l'interet de nier la realite des faits parce qu'elle ne correspond pas a la dichotomie parfaite et absolue qui voudrait qu'il n'y ait aucune porosite entre Hamas et civils

 
the veggie boy a écrit :

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/ [...] rom-israel

 
Citation :

Eyal Barad was in the safe room of his home in Nir Oz for more than 12 hours on Oct. 7 while Palestinians went on a rampage of his Gaza envelope kibbutz, eventually kidnapping or murdering more than a quarter of its residents. (...) Most of the time, though, Barad was glued to his phone, watching the live feed of a camera he had recently installed outside his home to monitor speeding cars. Images from the feed, which I obtained, show Palestinian women and children—some appearing as young as 8 years old—taking part in the horror of that day.

 

Survivors’ accounts, video evidence, and the interrogation recordings of apprehended Palestinians paint a damning picture of the complicity of Gazan civilians both in the Oct. 7 attack, in which more than 1,200 people were murdered and 240 people were abducted to Gaza, and its aftermath. It is one that has sparked a debate in Israel that challenges the inclination to draw distinctions between ordinary Palestinian civilians of Gaza—often referred to in Israel as bilti me’uravim (uninvolved)—and their terror leaders. For many, Oct. 7 reeked of something that Jews have been familiar with for centuries; a phenomenon where not just a vanguard, but a society at large participates in the ritual slaughter of Jews.

 

Around 700 Palestinians stormed Barad’s kibbutz of Nir Oz—less than a five-minute drive from Gaza—that day, CCTV footage shows. The overwhelming majority of those, estimated by Eran Smilansky, a member of the kibbutz’s security squad, to be around 550, were civilians. They were largely unarmed and not in uniform. Some of those civilians carried out wholesale acts of terror themselves, including rape and abduction—and in some cases, the eventual sale of hostages to Hamas—while others abetted the terrorists. Others still simply took advantage of the porous border to loot Israeli homes and farms, including stealing hundreds of thousands of shekels in agricultural equipment.

 

(...)

 

Differentiating between terrorists and civilians is tricky, particularly since Hamas terrorists often wear civilian clothing, a tactic evident in the ongoing war in Gaza. However, other indicators help make this distinction, such as the absence of weapons and the fact that many were filmed crossing the border barefoot or even on horseback. Even senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk readily admitted that Gaza civilians had taken part in the Oct. 7 atrocities.

 

One video shows a group of men in civilian clothing beating a soldier while a separate image shows another group of what appears to be civilian men celebrating atop the smoking husk of a burned-out tank. In the infamous 47-minute terror reel of the Oct. 7 atrocities, Palestinians in civilian clothing are seen beating elderly hostages with sticks. Another repeatedly screams “Allahu akbar!” as he decapitates a Thai farm worker with a garden tool.

 

Barad’s speed camera in Nir Oz includes images of a Palestinian girl riding a stolen bike. In another, a Palestinian woman is seen pointing out Barad’s neighbor’s home to a uniformed terrorist. An image captured later shows a resident of that home being hoisted onto a motorcycle to be taken into Gaza.

 

But it’s the testimonies of the survivors that provide the clearest evidence that Oct. 7 was not just a terrorist attack, but a pogrom.

 

Batya Holin is a photographer and peace activist from Kfar Aza, which alongside Nir Oz and Be’eri, was one of the heaviest-hit communities. Holin had developed a friendship with a Gazan photographer, Mahmoud, with whom she arranged a joint exhibit last year of photos of her kibbutz and his village in the Gaza Strip. On the morning of Oct. 7, Mahmoud called and interrogated Holin, asking her how many soldiers were in her vicinity. That was when Holin realized that Mahmoud had given the photos of her village to Hamas.

 

(...)

 

Echoing Holin’s testimony, former hostage Nili Margalit said that “civilians, regular people,” abducted her to Gaza in one of the kibbutz’s golf carts. Likewise, an NBC News investigation found that Noa Argamani was likely kidnapped by a civilian mob. A video of her abduction shows her unarmed captors wearing regular clothes. Argamani may have been later handed over or sold to Hamas.

 

(...)

 

Then there are the Gazans who worked at the kibbutzim. Yohanan’s husband, a farmer, is one of many people in the Gaza periphery communities who hired Palestinian workers from Gaza. Like many others I spoke to, Yohanan believed that the terrorists were acting on inside knowledge obtained by those Gazan workers. Israel had gradually raised the number of work permits in the months leading up to Oct. 7 with an estimated 18,500 Gazans working in Israel before the onslaught. The thinking behind the policy was that economic incentives to the residents of the Strip would sustain the fragile peace. Hanan Dann, from Kfar Aza, told me that he was “glad that workers from Gaza were coming to Israel to have jobs and meet Israelis, to see that we’re not all devils.”

 

In several of the devastated communities, detailed maps were found on the bodies of dead terrorists, maps that residents say could have only been drawn up by people with intimate knowledge of the area. Gazan workers relayed an extensive range of information to Hamas that enabled the terror group to plan its attack with extraordinary meticulousness, including the identities and residences of security heads, the locations of electric boards and communications systems and how to disable them.

 

The workers’ betrayal left an indelible mark on the surviving kibbutzniks, leading many to reexamine previously held beliefs about their Palestinian neighbors. Nir Oz, like many of the other ravaged kibbutzim in the area, was home to scores of peace activists, many of whom volunteered for a program known as Road to Recovery, driving sick Gazans to Israeli hospitals for treatment. Many now believe that while there are Gazans who want to live in peace, they do not represent the majority; or, as one survivor summed it up to AFP, “there are more who don’t want us alive.”

 

Irit Lahav, whose parents were from Nir Oz’s founding members, described the community as a “peace lovers’” kibbutz. “It broke my heart. How can we ever get over this sense of betrayal?” Lahav, who shuttled Palestinian cancer patients several hours from the border with Gaza to their treatments in central Israel, told me. “The Palestinian public simply hates us.”

 

(...)

 

IDF Sgt. Adir Tahar was murdered and decapitated during the invasion while manning a post near the Erez border crossing. His father, David, was forced to bury his son’s body without his head. An interrogation of two Palestinians by Israel’s Shin Bet security agency revealed that the remains of the head—which had been mutilated until it barely resembled a human skull—were kept in the freezer of an ice cream store in Gaza. One of the men had tried to sell the head for $10,000. The man in question was a Palestinian civilian and not a Hamas operative, Tahar told me.

 

(...)

 

In several cases, Palestinian families held hostages in their homes. Released hostage Mia Schem said she was being held by a family in Gaza. “Entire families are in the service of Hamas,” she told Channel 13. Avigail Idan, the 4-year-old Israeli American whose parents were murdered, was also held in the homes of several Palestinian families. When former hostage Russian Israeli Roni Krivoi remarkably managed to escape his captors during an Israeli air raid, he hid alone for several days before being discovered by Gaza civilians, he said, who returned him to Hamas.

 

(...)


 
DooMIII a écrit :


On se demande bien dans quel but.


bah la verite
mme si c'est mauvais pour leur image

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Message édité par the veggie boy le 20-02-2025 à 20:56:33

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mood
Publicité
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:54:36  profilanswer
 

n°72431685
DooMIII
Séminariste en reconversion
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 20:57:41  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :

 

c'est mauvais pour mon image ? :??:

 


 

J'ai bien compris ce que tu cherches hein, le TT..

 

Sinon oui de nombreux civils Palestiniens soutiennent le Hamas c'est évident au vu de l'histoire du conflit...on ne peut pas se voiler la face là dessus...les moins convaincus le Hamas sait s'occuper d'eux...

 

De même côté Israélien le soutien au thèses du Likud ou à des mesures extrêmes est du plus en plus fort. Peu de gens pour critiquer la colonisation ou les projets de déportation "volontaire"


Message édité par DooMIII le 20-02-2025 à 21:04:53

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joams
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 21:20:07  profilanswer
 

rionsnoir a écrit :


 
Ba déjà va y avoir une autopsie.


La duplicité du Hamas est sans borne, je crains qu on ait jamais le fin mot de leurs morts.


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n°72431822
jamere20
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 21:23:39  profilanswer
 

joams a écrit :


La duplicité du Hamas est sans borne, je crains qu on ait jamais le fin mot de leurs morts.


 
 
Les responsables sont ceux qui les ont enlevés. Si pas d'enlèvement, pas de mort.

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joams
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 21:25:07  profilanswer
 

jamere20 a écrit :


 
 
Les responsables sont ceux qui les ont enlevés. Si pas d'enlèvement, pas de mort.


Je parlait de la cause de leur mort, il va de soi que le Hamas est le seul responsable.

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joams
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 21:27:59  profilanswer
 

Je mets ça la, faute de savoir où le mettre.
https://fr.timesofisrael.com/lalger [...] -juif/amp/
 
Pour me changer les idées je vais voir "Septembre 5" :D


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n°72431967
freddy021
Les Français qui dégomment
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 21:57:07  profilanswer
 

J’espère que si phase 2 il n’y a pas, Tsahal ira nettoyer chaque cm de la bande de Gaza, en prenant soin au passage de s’occuper de tous les terroristes relâchés durant la phase 1.
 
Les gens qu’Israël combat sont tellement radicalisés qu’ils ne rendent même pas compte de la degueulasserie de ce qu’ils font, et bien au contraire ils en sont fiers.
 
Il n’y a rien à discuter avec eux, rien à espérer, il faut simplement les détruire.
Quand on parade et met en scène les cadavres d’enfants et de leur mère qu’on est allé kidnapper dans leur lit, on a quitté le camp de l’Humanité.


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Waza-ari
❤️ Phryge ❤️
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:12:17  profilanswer
 

Qu'en pensent les antisitionistes du topic sur la population civile qui ne soutient pas le HAmas  [:azymantiop]  ?
[:teepodavignon:8]

[:salami dubongout:4] Israel ישראל https://i.imgur.com/AYsrHeC.png (@Israel) :

Children in Gaza today celebrating the murder of four Israeli civilians.
 
No words.  
https://rehost.diberie.com/Rehost?size=min&url=https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/1892623946958155776/img/Yx4gaAw1KrHmRUxN.jpg&hfr-url-data=https%3A%2F%2Fvideo.twimg.com%2Famplify_video%2F1892623946958155776%2Fvid%2Favc1%2F720x1280%2FDNCL0fJkv6SoZddp.mp4%3Ftag%3D16&hfr-media-type=video%2Fmp4

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the veggie​ boy
Who's taking my Lorazepam?
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:26:14  profilanswer
 

5 bus piégés par des bombes prevues pour exploser demain a 9h du matin qui ont en fait explosé ajd a 9h du soir
 
encore un echec du renseignement israelien
 
sans l'incompetence des terroristes palestiniens, ca faisait encore des dizaines de civils assassinés
 
la poursuite de la treve s'annonce plutot mal


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bobe
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:33:10  profilanswer
 

C'est sûr que menacer de déporter toute la population n'est pas de nature à apaiser les esprits. Merci trump [:el_risitas:3]

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n°72432136
jamere20
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:34:43  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :

5 bus piégés par des bombes prevues pour exploser demain a 9h du matin qui ont en fait explosé ajd a 9h du soir
 
encore un echec du renseignement israelien
 
sans l'incompetence des terroristes palestiniens, ca faisait encore des dizaines de civils assassinés
 
la poursuite de la treve s'annonce plutot mal


Le renseignement a montré toutes ses limites depuis le 7/10. Et pas que côté de l'agressé israëlien, mais aussi Liban, Iran, Hamas.

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the veggie​ boy
Who's taking my Lorazepam?
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:36:03  profilanswer
 

bobe a écrit :

C'est sûr que menacer de déporter toute la population n'est pas de nature à apaiser les esprits. Merci trump [:el_risitas:3]


 
pas sur que des attentats a l'aveugle ce soit le meilleur moyen de convaincre le voisin que le vivre-ensemble a de l'avenir, cela dit :o


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Waza-ari
❤️ Phryge ❤️
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:36:40  profilanswer
 

bobe a écrit :

C'est sûr que menacer de déporter toute la population n'est pas de nature à apaiser les esprits. Merci trump [:el_risitas:3]


tu veux dire que les tentatives d'attentats à la bombe c'est en réponse à Trump  [:freddy021:7] ?

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jamere20
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:37:07  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :


 
pas sur que des attentats a l'aveugle ce soit le meilleur moyen de convaincre le voisin que le vivre-ensemble a de l'avenir, cela dit :o


ils peuvent se rassembler dans leur amour du dieu partagé  :o

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Rasthor
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:38:16  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :

5 bus piégés par des bombes prevues pour exploser demain a 9h du matin qui ont en fait explosé ajd a 9h du soir
 
encore un echec du renseignement israelien
 
sans l'incompetence des terroristes palestiniens, ca faisait encore des dizaines de civils assassinés
 
la poursuite de la treve s'annonce plutot mal


Si ça se trouve, c'est un coup du Mossad, en mode Reichstag-like. :o

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bobe
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:39:04  profilanswer
 

Waza-ari a écrit :


tu veux dire que les tentatives d'attentats à la bombe c'est en réponse à Trump  [:freddy021:7] ?


Je veux dire que ça rajoute de l'huile sur le feu.

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lady287
La lumière fuse
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 22:40:12  profilanswer
 

Si ça peu aider, salam alicum, je connais pas l'orthographe, surtout en latin, ça m'étonnerait, signifit bien venu en ma demeure et alicum salam, ma demeure est à toi.
 
Un yota que j'espère exacte ; Car il s'agit d'une analyse de contexte datant de 2000 ans.


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freddy021
Les Français qui dégomment
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:17:05  profilanswer
 

bobe a écrit :


Je veux dire que ça rajoute de l'huile sur le feu.


C’est l’étape avant l’escalade ça


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M300A
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:23:52  profilanswer
 

lady287 a écrit :

Si ça peu aider, salam alicum, je connais pas l'orthographe, surtout en latin, ça m'étonnerait, signifit bien venu en ma demeure et alicum salam, ma demeure est à toi.

 

Un yota que j'espère exacte ; Car il s'agit d'une analyse de contexte datant de 2000 ans.

 

[:tigrou0007:2]


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kami
pouet
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:26:50  profilanswer
 

Heureusement pas de victimes.
Ça ne s’arrêtera jamais ces conneries.

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kami
pouet
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:27:33  profilanswer
 
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Amenorrhee​ suspecte
Gauchiste
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:34:52  profilanswer
 

D'après le live du toi une branche du Hamas revendique :

 
Citation :

A Telegram channel claiming to represent Hamas’s so-called Tulkarem Battalion, based in the West Bank’s Tulkarem, puts out a statement that may signal the group’s responsibility for a combined bus bombing attack in Tel Aviv earlier tonight.

 

The statement reads: “The revenge of the martyrs will not be forgotten so long as the occupier is present on our land… This is a jihad of either victory or martyrdom.”

 

Après les mises en scène du jour je suis pas sûr du timing  [:audessusclesoleil:4]


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lady287
La lumière fuse
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:38:53  profilanswer
 

Quelqu'un a fait un rapprochement entre shalom et islam ?


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DooMIII
Séminariste en reconversion
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:39:58  profilanswer
 

Rasthor a écrit :


Si ça se trouve, c'est un coup du Mossad, en mode Reichstag-like. :o


 
Ce ne sont pas des Suisses vu le timing en tout cas :o


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lady287
La lumière fuse
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:42:54  profilanswer
 

DooMIII a écrit :


 
Ce ne sont pas des Suisses vu le timing en tout cas :o


 
C'est pas un nom propre.


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Rasthor
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:46:49  profilanswer
 

DooMIII a écrit :


 
Ce ne sont pas des Suisses vu le timing en tout cas :o


9 am, 9 pm, c’est kif-kif. :o

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Rasthor
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:47:21  profilanswer
 

lady287 a écrit :


 
C'est pas un nom propre.


:??:

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Yog Sothot​h
Conchie les religions
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:50:28  profilanswer
 

C'est Jovalise, je crois. Il a le synapse qui baguenaude souvent.  :o


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Dworkin
⭐ Evil Camp Represent ⭐
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:51:25  profilanswer
 

freddy021 a écrit :

J’espère que si phase 2 il n’y a pas, Tsahal ira nettoyer chaque cm de la bande de Gaza, en prenant soin au passage de s’occuper de tous les terroristes relâchés durant la phase 1.
 
Les gens qu’Israël combat sont tellement radicalisés qu’ils ne rendent même pas compte de la degueulasserie de ce qu’ils font, et bien au contraire ils en sont fiers.
 
Il n’y a rien à discuter avec eux, rien à espérer, il faut simplement les détruire.
Quand on parade et met en scène les cadavres d’enfants et de leur mère qu’on est allé kidnapper dans leur lit, on a quitté le camp de l’Humanité.


 
J’espère aussi. Et que cette fois on s’arrêtera pas en chemin.


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lady287
La lumière fuse
Posté le 20-02-2025 à 23:52:40  profilanswer
 

Yog Sothoth a écrit :

C'est Jovalise, je crois. Il a le synapse qui baguenaude souvent.  :o


Tant mieux, tu sera plus grand !


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Dworkin
⭐ Evil Camp Represent ⭐
Posté le 21-02-2025 à 00:05:09  profilanswer
 

the veggie boy a écrit :


 
oui, sur le sujet des methodes, de la barbarie et la cruaute, ca s'est clairement confirmé
les objectifs "politiques" sont differents, mais pas les methodes
ce qui est somme toute assez logique vu les similarites ideologiques


 
Par certains côtés, le Hamas surpasse Daesh en terme de saloperie. Les deux sont des barbares dégénérés dans la façon de faire la guerre, mais le Hamas ajoute une « esthétique » de la saloperie digne de certains agissements des nazis sur le front de l’Est, et documente, parfois avec fierté, ses horreurs.
 
Après vu qu’il y a tout un tas de débiles pour relativiser leurs agissements ou reprendre tout ou partie de leur narratif, ils auraient tort de se priver.

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Message édité par Dworkin le 21-02-2025 à 00:10:07

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freddy021
Les Français qui dégomment
Posté le 21-02-2025 à 00:29:40  profilanswer
 

Citation :

The IDF confirmed on Friday morning that the hostage remains released on Thursday belonged to Ariel and Kfir Bibas.
However, the third body "was not that of Shiri Bibs, and no match was found for any other abductee. It is an anonymous body without identification," the military stated.


 

Citation :

According to the assessment of professional officials, based on the intelligence available to us and forensic findings from the identification process, Ariel and Kfir Bibas were brutally murdered by terrorists in captivity in November 2023.


Quelle bande de sacs à merde putain  [:fandalpinee]  
Pire que daesh.

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Message édité par freddy021 le 21-02-2025 à 00:37:41

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