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Les attentats du 11 septembre - WTC, Pentagone... - Lire le 1er post

n°7997513
markesz
Destination danger
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 12:15:34  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :

sidorku a écrit :

J'ai comme l'impression que ce "dessin" ne tient pas compte des 45° horizontaux avec la façade  [:jean-guitou]  
Enfin comme toujours les complotistes ne voient que ce qui les arrange et oublient le reste...
Et j'attends toujours ma réponse à la question suivante : c'était quoi alors ?


 
Exact, les complotistes sont tellement prisonniers de leur fantasme qu'ils trafiquent les données réelles comme le dessin rouge qui présente l'arrivée du boeing pile poil en ligne droite dans le Pentagone alors que toutes les traces des dégâts intérieurs confirme que l'impact s'est fait en angle.  
 
Pourquoi ne pas avoir dessiné un super canon pointé en pleine facade avec un lance-fusée expérimental? :pt1cable:  
 
Faudra bien un jour que les complotistes à la petite semaine se fasse à l'idée que sur HFR le % de gars fort en science est trop grand pour qu'on se laisse impressionner par des démonstrations minables. Aucun d'entre eux n'est capable d'apporter des réponses logiques aux vraies questions, pfff!

mood
Publicité
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 12:15:34  profilanswer
 

n°7997706
gilou
Modosaurus Rex
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 12:42:26  profilanswer
 

Bon, je viens de dé-sanctionner Machiavelli1, histoire de redynamiser ce tomik... :whistle:
A+,


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There's more than what can be linked! --  Le capitaine qui ne veut pas obéir à la carte finira par obéir aux récifs. -- Il ne faut plus dire Sarkozy, mais Sarkozon -- (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
n°7998047
Svenn
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 13:31:05  profilanswer
 

gilou a écrit :

Bon, je viens de dé-sanctionner Machiavelli1, histoire de redynamiser ce tomik... :whistle:
A+,


 
C'est quoi, ce lacher de trolls sur le topic  :D

n°7998061
ara qui ri​t
Tiens, voilà du boudin !
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 13:33:06  profilanswer
 

Svenn a écrit :

C'est quoi, ce lacher de trolls sur le topic  :D


 
 
Mais +1 quoi, il aurait dit "Pull!" ça aurait été pareil  :lol:

n°7998128
gilou
Modosaurus Rex
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 13:42:44  profilanswer
 

Ben quoi, le week-end est fini...
A+,


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There's more than what can be linked! --  Le capitaine qui ne veut pas obéir à la carte finira par obéir aux récifs. -- Il ne faut plus dire Sarkozy, mais Sarkozon -- (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
n°7999179
zyx
NCC - 1701
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 15:35:40  profilanswer
 

phil279 a écrit :

Pour ceux qui ont besoin d'un dessin...
 
http://ger.diffuse.free.fr/capture40.JPG


 
Tu reprend ce dessin, tu baisse ton avion de 50 cm ou 1m, et tu t'apperçoit que les ailes collent assez bien avec les dégat  :D Juste que certain murs ont un peu mieux résister, ce qui est somme toute normal vu la solidité de l'immeuble, mais on ne peux pas dire que les ailes ont tout laisser intact  :D .

n°7999701
Lionheart8​7
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 16:51:46  profilanswer
 

et alors, si les ailes ont donc tapé dans le batiment, pourquoi n'y a-il aucune trace de ces dernières ni encastrées dans la facade ni sur la pelouse ?

n°7999719
Cardelitre
ಠ_ಠ ۞_۟۞ ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘ סּ_סּ
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 16:54:56  profilanswer
 

Et c'est reparti... [:volta]

n°7999801
ara qui ri​t
Tiens, voilà du boudin !
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:09:09  profilanswer
 

Lionheart87 a écrit :

et alors, si les ailes ont donc tapé dans le batiment, pourquoi n'y a-il aucune trace de ces dernières ni encastrées dans la facade ni sur la pelouse ?


 
 
Et alors si tu viens poster ici, pourquoi n'y a-t-il aucune trace dans ton message qui indique que tu a pris la peine de lire le topic  [:autobot]


Message édité par ara qui rit le 27-03-2006 à 17:10:06
n°7999840
Lionheart8​7
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:14:27  profilanswer
 

ben lire 208 pages, c'est qunad même long

mood
Publicité
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:14:27  profilanswer
 

n°7999881
cocorezo
Baaaaaaaaaaahhhh
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:19:42  profilanswer
 

Faudrait rebaptiser ce topic, le topikatroll...

n°7999950
p47alto1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:27:08  profilanswer
 

Lionheart87 a écrit :

ben lire 208 pages, c'est qunad même long


Allz, je t'aide: tu ouvres un autre onglet, ou une autre fenêtre, tu lances ta recherche infra topic, et pendant que ça mouline, tu fais autre chose… Tu n'as plus qu'à lire le s12 589 messages identiques au tien qui l'ont précédé.

n°7999973
Bouhja
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:29:39  profilanswer
 

Lionheart87 a écrit :

ben lire 208 pages, c'est qunad même long


 
 :sleep: Le mec qui veut tout tout cuit dans le bec.
 
C'est tellement moins fatiguant de tout remettre en doute sans se poser des questions et chercher si des réponses ont été apportées. Comprends que c'est lassant, très lassant pour les personnes susceptibles de te répondre ou qui ont déjà répondu plusieurs fois à la question.

n°8000154
zyx
NCC - 1701
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 17:51:30  profilanswer
 

Lionheart87 a écrit :

et alors, si les ailes ont donc tapé dans le batiment, pourquoi n'y a-il aucune trace de ces dernières ni encastrées dans la facade ni sur la pelouse ?


 
c'est reparti... abordé xxx fois:
1) il y a des traces, mais sous formes de petits morceau de métal à l'intérieur (autant le dire, une aile d'avion face à du béton de très bonne qualité, c'est assez fragile)
2) les traces noirs sont du au kérozenne qui s'est alors enflammé ...
3) des morceaux de réacteurs ont été aussi retrouvé

n°8000260
power600
Toujours grognon
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 18:05:08  profilanswer
 

zyx a écrit :

c'est reparti... abordé xxx fois:
1) il y a des traces, mais sous formes de petits morceau de métal à l'intérieur (autant le dire, une aile d'avion face à du béton de très bonne qualité, c'est assez fragile)
2) les traces noirs sont du au kérozenne qui s'est alors enflammé ...
3) des morceaux de réacteurs ont été aussi retrouvé


Tellement abordé que cette réponse n'est pas satisfaisante. Et la question n'est pas satisfaisante non plus  [:rhetorie du chaos]

n°8000669
Profil sup​primé
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 19:00:43  answer
 

Mais il y avait un HFRien qui disait être un témoin de la chute de l'avion sur le pentagone non ? Maintenant c'était peut-être un troll ?

n°8000902
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 19:25:24  profilanswer
 

gilou a écrit :

Bon, je viens de dé-sanctionner Machiavelli1, histoire de redynamiser ce tomik... :whistle:
A+,


 
Retard...
 
http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/oddities/2001.html
 

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Message édité par Machiavelli1 le 27-03-2006 à 19:28:15
n°8001051
lasnoufle
La seule et unique!
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 19:46:48  profilanswer
 

omsa a écrit :

Mon pauvre, tu n'as pas toute ta tete on dirait... le samu a du oublier de te faire prendre tes petits cachets.
visiblement, c’est pas ta faute , tu as été conditioné comme ca par des films Hollywoodiens depuis ta tendre enfance, alors un conseil  : respire un grand bols d’air , relaches toi et pete un bon coups histoire de reqilibrer un peu la pressions , parsque continu encore un peut comme ca et tu finira par te baricader chez toi avec de larmements lourds tellement tu a l'impression d'etre entourre par une horde hostile prette a te manger tous crus.


Tellement énorme que là c'est forcément du troll quoi. Et le pire c'est qu'en plus de n'avoir pas lu (franchement je peux pas croire que t'aies vraiment lu ce qu'a écrit Gronky, c'est impossible), tu décris exactement l'image que je me fais de toi. Je tombe par terre. Heureusement que j'étais assis quand j'ai lu ça.

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Message édité par lasnoufle le 27-03-2006 à 19:51:07
n°8001340
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 20:16:24  profilanswer
 

lasnoufle a écrit :

Tellement énorme que là c'est forcément du troll quoi. Et le pire c'est qu'en plus de n'avoir pas lu (franchement je peux pas croire que t'aies vraiment lu ce qu'a écrit Gronky, c'est impossible), tu décris exactement l'image que je me fais de toi. Je tombe par terre. Heureusement que j'étais assis quand j'ai lu ça.


 
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit13/

n°8001461
lasnoufle
La seule et unique!
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 20:29:20  profilanswer
 


Quoi?!? J'ai rien demandé moi hein. Puis je parle pas suédois ou jsais pas quoi là. C'est des photos du missile?

n°8001543
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 20:37:12  profilanswer
 

lasnoufle a écrit :

Quoi?!? J'ai rien demandé moi hein. Puis je parle pas suédois ou jsais pas quoi là. C'est des photos du missile?


 
Desole j'ai repondu a ton message, je voulai le poster comme nouveau message, desole c,etait pas une reponse a ton message  :(  
 
Non c'est moi qui est photoshope un avion qui passe au dessus des tours entre vol 11 et vol 175, ca a l'air vrai non ? je suis fort en photoshop moi...

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Message édité par Machiavelli1 le 27-03-2006 à 20:50:56
n°8001848
gronky
poissard
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:07:51  profilanswer
 

lasnoufle a écrit :

Tellement énorme que là c'est forcément du troll quoi. Et le pire c'est qu'en plus de n'avoir pas lu (franchement je peux pas croire que t'aies vraiment lu ce qu'a écrit Gronky, c'est impossible), tu décris exactement l'image que je me fais de toi. Je tombe par terre. Heureusement que j'étais assis quand j'ai lu ça.


 
 Franchement, en lisant sa réponse, moi aussi j'ai des gros doutes quand à ses facultés de compréhension. Des fois, j'ai l'impression de parler des "bots". Je cherche encore à essayer de piger ce qu'il n'a pas compris dans ce que je lui ai répondu.  
 

n°8001883
Schimz
Bouge pas, meurs, ressuscite !
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:10:58  profilanswer
 

Machiavelli1 a écrit :

qui passe au dessus des tours


[:haha]

n°8001996
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:22:13  profilanswer
 


 
Je comprends pas le sens de ton message... si c t moi ca serai un troll ? n'est ce pas Gilou?

n°8002014
Ciler
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:24:34  profilanswer
 

Machiavelli1 a écrit :

Je comprends pas le sens de ton message... si c t moi ca serai un troll ? n'est ce pas Gilou?


Non seulement tu es bete, mais en plus tu manques de culture [:kaio]


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And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. Revelations 6:8
n°8002019
zyx
NCC - 1701
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:24:53  profilanswer
 


http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/oddities/2001/2001.jpg
 
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  
 
Celà suffit à priver de qulconque crédibilité la source  :D !
 
Les américains auraint panifier les attentat avant de dessiner leur billet, c a d bien longtemps avant que les tours soit construite et de avions capables de les détruire  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  
 
Merci pour ce lien, non, franchement !

n°8002036
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:26:31  profilanswer
 

Ciler a écrit :

Non seulement tu es bete, mais en plus tu manques de culture [:kaio]


 
.10010110.

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Message édité par Machiavelli1 le 27-03-2006 à 21:37:49
n°8002064
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:29:00  profilanswer
 

zyx a écrit :

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtow [...] 1/2001.jpg
 
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  
 
Celà suffit à priver de qulconque crédibilité la source  :D !
 
Les américains auraint panifier les attentat avant de dessiner leur billet, c a d bien longtemps avant que les tours soit construite et de avions capables de les détruire  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  
 
Merci pour ce lien, non, franchement !


 
10011100

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Message édité par Machiavelli1 le 27-03-2006 à 21:37:27
n°8002066
zyx
NCC - 1701
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:29:24  profilanswer
 


 
très comique aussi. Pour ceux qui ne savent pas, il y a une route aérienne qui passe à N-Y, il sagit d'une route d'approche pour l'aéroport de JFK.
 
L'avion en question (si l'image n'est pas truquée) doit être en train d'approcher de JFK et doit être en contact avec la tour de contrôle .
 
Pour info, on peut voir presque tout les jour ce type de scène à la Defense (la fumée en moins, bien sûr  :D ).
 
encore un post très marrant!

n°8002095
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:31:51  profilanswer
 

.00101111

Message cité 2 fois
Message édité par Machiavelli1 le 27-03-2006 à 21:37:03
n°8002180
zyx
NCC - 1701
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:38:58  profilanswer
 

Machiavelli1 a écrit :

Apprend l'anglais apres peut etre que l'on pourra parler, tu sait ce que ca veut dire "oddities"... non donc tu comprend aux environs 2 % de ce que tu lis en consequences je n'accord que peu d'interet a ce que tu dit et a ta vision, je poste ces liens non pas pour toi mais pour ceux qui peuvent lire ce qui est ecrit sans s'arreter a un certain types d'oddities...


 
 
je ne pense pas être moins bon que toi et je ne parlait que de l'image, compréhensible par tous, parlant anglais ou non. Donc, une insulte gratuite de quelqu'un qui a décidément peu d'argument et qui se contente de flooder le topic de lien (méthode typique de propagande de ceux qui évitent de penser par eux même mais veule submerger ceux qui arrgumentent)
 
Le fait que Bush ai ignorer la menace islamiste pour se focaliser sur Saddam et la Corrée du Nord, ce n'est pas nouveau, et celà ne prouve rien.
 
 
la suivante ? Que le WTC a été construit pour résister au choc d'un 707, le plus gros avion volant dans les années 60.
 
Toutes personnes se renseignant un peut savent qu'à l'époque, il y avait eu un accident d'avion se crashant sur des immeuble, mais l'impact fut à une vitesse normale à cette atitude, pas forcément avec autant de kérozen. Mais surtout, surtout, le B 707 est un avion monocouloir . Le B767 est un avion Bi-couloir, dont la version la plus petite est déjà plus gros que les plus gros 707 :D !
 
Bref, encore du n'importe quoi, je vai stopper, car une source qui fait 3 escroqueries intellectuelles en 2 paragraphes et 1 image ne mérite pas d'être citer ici par des gens se disans sérieux ...  [:aras qui rit]

n°8002183
Dæmon
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:39:11  profilanswer
 


 


 


edittage de post.
 
 
 
 
la nsa t'a sensuré? [:aztechxx]  
fait gaffe t'es surveillé ;)

n°8002185
zyx
NCC - 1701
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:39:30  profilanswer
 


 
oulà, ce multi de conspirationniste fatigue !

n°8002285
gronky
poissard
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 21:47:57  profilanswer
 

Allez, je vais faire plaisir à Omsa en collant une référence cinématographique:  
 
 
 

Citation :

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 Hum, ce machiavelli1 est peut être tout simple une beta de Skynet un poil buggée.  
 
 
 (j'ai mis la référence en gras, comme ça on ne la loupe pas).

n°8004130
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 23:47:26  profilanswer
 

Ciler a écrit :

Non seulement tu es bete, mais en plus tu manques de culture [:kaio]


 
Toi, c'est surement d'avoir passe tes jeudi soirs a jouer a "goblin slaughter" et les conventions de jeux de roles qui t'ont rendu si intelligent et fait de toi un etre vraiment terre a terre quand il en vient a des raisonement scientifiques, t'es vraiment trop fort...


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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.
n°8004176
Machiavell​i1
Posté le 27-03-2006 à 23:53:29  profilanswer
 

zyx a écrit :

je ne pense pas être moins bon que toi et je ne parlait que de l'image, compréhensible par tous, parlant anglais ou non. Donc, une insulte gratuite de quelqu'un qui a décidément peu d'argument et qui se contente de flooder le topic de lien (méthode typique de propagande de ceux qui évitent de penser par eux même mais veule submerger ceux qui arrgumentent)
 
Le fait que Bush ai ignorer la menace islamiste pour se focaliser sur Saddam et la Corrée du Nord, ce n'est pas nouveau, et celà ne prouve rien.
 
 
la suivante ? Que le WTC a été construit pour résister au choc d'un 707, le plus gros avion volant dans les années 60.
 
Toutes personnes se renseignant un peut savent qu'à l'époque, il y avait eu un accident d'avion se crashant sur des immeuble, mais l'impact fut à une vitesse normale à cette atitude, pas forcément avec autant de kérozen. Mais surtout, surtout, le B 707 est un avion monocouloir . Le B767 est un avion Bi-couloir, dont la version la plus petite est déjà plus gros que les plus gros 707 :D !
 
Bref, encore du n'importe quoi, je vai stopper, car une source qui fait 3 escroqueries intellectuelles en 2 paragraphes et 1 image ne mérite pas d'être citer ici par des gens se disans sérieux ...  [:aras qui rit]


 
Peut etre la ca te ferra essayer de lire jusqu 'en bas et pas seulement ce qui attrapes ton oeil et envoye un signal a travers ton merf optique pour finalement atteindre ton neurone :
 
Killtown's
 
9/11 coincidences and oddities page!
 
(and other note worthy tidbits.)
 
 
 
Pre 2001 • 2001 • 9/11 • 2002 • 2003 • 2004 • 2005 • 2006
 
 
 
(Use the WayBack Machine for expired links.)
 
• 9/11 - The most devastating and unprecedented terrorist attack in history happens against the United States of America, the world's mightiest superpower, allegedly committed by 19 radical Arab Muslims who hijacked four commercial airliners -- allegedly armed with only small knives and box cutters -- and crashed them into the WTC, the Pentagon, and an empty field in Pennsylvania.
 
"On Tuesday morning, September 11, 2001, the U.S. is attacked by terrorists in New York City and Washington, and the world changes forever.
Hijacked jetliners hit the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon outside Washington. A fourth hijacked plane crashes into a field in Pennsylvania." - September11News.com
 
(See also: March 13, 1962 - America's top military leaders, who were staunchly right-wing, drafted "Operation Northwoods" which were secret plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba; August 4, 1964 - US agency concludes the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was used to escalate the Vietnam war, never happened; September 6-12, 1970 - Four New York-bound airliners are hijacked over western Europe by a militant Palestinian group; February 26, 1993 - The WTC was first bombed by Islamic terrorists and the F.B.I. knew about the plot; March 11, 2004 - A terrorist bomb attack in Madrid, Spain (referred to as 3/11) blows up multiple commuter trains during rush hour exactly 911 days after 9/11)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - The official bin Ladin family's website domain expires.
 
 
 
"On September 11, 2001, the United States experienced the most significant and violent attack by terrorists even on its own soil. The terrible events that ensued have been linked to the mastermind of Osama Binladin, the leader of the group Al-Qaeda.
Although the Binladin family group denounced their fallen son and any political affiliation of Al-Qaeda, on the same day as the terrorist attacks, the Binladin family website and all of their web pages, links, emails and domain name EXPIRED -- on September 11, 2001.
Shocked and curious about the possible connection between Binladin and the war on America, I, Christopher Curry, a technology consultant, began to investigate these events via the net.
I found a number of websites linked to Osama Binladin and began to notice some startling parallels: the largest and most unbelievable was the expiration of a website owned by the Binladin family: www.saudi-binladin-group.com." - Saudi-binLadin-Group.com
 
 
 
Unique Internet Name Once Owned by Bin Laden, Which Expired on 9-11-01, Now Promotes Peace
 
"shrimpo LLC and Christopher Curry have made news previously when it announced that it had created a unique procedure to take control of the official Bin Laden family website, saudi-binladin-group.com, for which the domain registration expired simultaneously with the tragic events of September 11, 2001.
 
"The controversy remains whether the September 11th expiry was just a remarkable coincidence or if this truly was a hidden warning," said Christopher Curry, Principal of shrimpo LLC and Internet technology consultant." - Yahoo/PRNewswire (Oct 17)
 
 
 
Date with Destiny?
 
"A web domain registered to the Saudi Binladin Group (the megabucks corporation uses the alternate spelling of the family name) raises questions about what role, if any, the family has played in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
The domain was registered on Sept. 11, 2000, with a preset expiration date of Sept. 11, 2001, according to a technician with VeriSign, an Internet domain registry service formerly known as Network Solutions.
Coincidence?
Or was this website set up to start the countdown on the most devastating attack in U.S. history?
 
This was no accident, according to a VeriSign technician in Mountainview, Calif.
"This was timed so it would expire on that date," says the technician, who identified herself only by her first name, Antonette, and by her employee number, 001.
 
The Binladin website was created by a company called Arq Limited, a U.K. web design firm. The administrative, technical and billing contact listed on the whois search is a man named Philip Lumsden.
After several calls to the U.K., I learned that Arq Limited went out of business, replaced by a company called Active 8 Solutions, which shares the same Bath, England, mailing address and a telephone number that is only one digit off from Arq Limited’s old number.
I learned one more interesting thing.
"Mr. Lumsden left a week ago," said a man who answered the phone at Active 8 Solutions. "I am not aware of why he left."
 
A half-dozen odd calls Tuesday, October 15, to the Saudi Binladin Group’s headquarters in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, turned up little other than assurances that if I called back in 20 minutes or a half-hour, then somebody would be able to give me some information about the website.
 
The next day, I called again and again was told to call back later. By deadline, neither of the two emails I sent seeking comment were answered.
 
The trail of the saudi-binladin-group.com website that I began following two weeks ago has taken me to a couple of very strange places — including a five-year-old mysterious death that may be al-Qaeda’s first hit on U.S. soil — and a very nervous British businessman who thought he was getting the bargain of a lifetime when he purchased the assets of a British web-design firm that created the domain." - Philadelphia City Paper (10/18-25/01)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Standard operating procedures for military scramble approval was for the FAA to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) to request air support, then the NMCC would contact NORAD to find out about aircraft availability, then NORAD would seek final approval from Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.
 
"On Sept. 11, the normal scramble-approval procedure was for an FAA official to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air support. Someone in the NMCC would call Norad's command center and ask about availability of aircraft, then seek approval from the Defense Secretary--Donald H. Rumsfeld--to launch fighters." - Aviation Week (06/03/02)
 
 
 
9/11 Tapes Reveal Ground Personnel Muffled Attacks
 
"What’s more, the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense had been changed in June of 2001. Now, instead of NORAD’s military commanders being able to issue the command to launch fighter jets, approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. This change is extremely significant, because Mr. Rumsfeld claims to have been "out of the loop" nearly the entire morning of 9/11. He isn’t on the record as having given any orders that morning. In fact, he didn’t even go to the White House situation room; he had to walk to the window of his office in the Pentagon to see that the country’s military headquarters was in flames.
Mr. Rumsfeld claimed at a previous commission hearing that protection against attack inside the homeland was not his responsibility. It was, he said, "a law-enforcement issue."
Why, in that case, did he take onto himself the responsibility of approving NORAD’s deployment of fighter planes?" - New York Observer (06/21/04) [Reprinted at:  dangerouscitizen.com]
 
• Side note - "Ironically, FAA officials only a few months earlier had tried to dispense with "primary" radars altogether, opting to rely solely on transponder returns as a way to save money. Norad had emphatically rejected the proposal." - Aviation Week (06/03/02)
 
(See also:  June 1, 2001 - Dept. of Defense (DOD) initiates new instructions for military assistance relating to aircraft hijackings)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Vice President Dick Cheney was placed in charge of a domestic terrorism study group within the White House, to monitor and develop plans to deal with a catastrophe such as 9/11.
 
"In Sarasota, Florida, now Major Garrett joins us. Major, what are you being told?
MAJOR GARRETT, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hello. President Bush has notified -- or talked, rather, to Vice President Cheney. He has talked to the FBI director Robert Mueller, and he has also spoken with the governor of New York, Governor Pataki about this catastrophe.
The president, as we just saw a few moments ago, identifying this as an apparent act of terrorism against the United States. Said there will be full investigation. The entire apparatus of the United States government, FBI, national security, CIA, the vice president, who you may remember was placed in charge of a domestic terrorism study group within the White House, to monitor and develop plans to deal with a catastrophe of just this kind." - CNN (09/11/01)
 
(See also:  March 21, 1989 - Cheney becomes the 17th US Secretary of Defense)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by the airlines industry.
 
"A manual written by the airline industry years before the Sept. 11 attacks instructed airport screeners to confiscate from passengers boxcutters like those used by the hijackers, documents show.
Though the federal government did not specifically bar the objects before Sept. 11, the airlines were in charge of security and the manual they compiled was the guidebook for determining what items could be brought aboard flights.
FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said keeping boxcutters off planes was an industry requirement, not a government order. She said the FAA allowed airline passengers to carry blades less than four inches long before Sept. 11. Government rules now prohibit such items.
Other items allowed into airplane cabins, according to the manual, included baseball bats, darts, knitting needles, pocket utility knifes less than four inches long and scissors.
The manual for security screeners was issued by the airlines' trade groups to comply with FAA regulations and was in effect at the time of the terror attacks. The document lists boxcutters and pepper spray as items not allowed past security checkpoints. Screeners were told to call supervisors if they found either item.
Attorney General John Ashcroft said some of the hijackers used boxcutters to take over the planes, and the indictment of alleged hijacking coconspirator Zacarias Moussaoui charged that Mohammed Atta, the leader of the hijackers, had pepper spray.
"We actually had rules and regulations to stop this," said former Transportation Department Inspector General Mary Schiavo, now a lawyer suing United Airlines and American Airlines on behalf of families of Sept. 11 victims.
Paul Hudson, head of the Aviation Consumer Action Project, an advocacy group, said this latest revelation is another reason for an independent commission to investigate Sept. 11." - CBS (11/12/02)
 
"MR. KEAN: There's been some confusion as to the issue of box cutters. You testified, I gather, that as of September 11th, the FAA did not prohibit box cutters, before Congress. Yesterday we got testimony from the ATA that in checkpoint operation guides, box cutters were classified as restricted items, which could be kept off an aircraft if identified. What was the status of box cutters within the aviation system as a whole, and certainly in Boston, where those checkpoints were?
MR. MINETA: The FAA regulation referred to blades of four inches or greater as prohibited items. And so a box cutter was really less than four inches. Now, on the other hand, the airline industry had a guideline. And in that guideline, they did prohibit box cutters, as it was in that guideline. But in the FAA regulations, that was not the case." - 9/11 Commission
 
 
 
• 9/11 (5:45 am) - Alleged Flight 11 hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, are allegedly videotaped, which the tape displays two timestamps, on a security camera at a Portland, ME airport.
 
 
 
Hijack terrorists caught on security camera
 
"They looked like any other anxious travellers, rushing through the airport security checks to make sure they caught their early morning flight. But the two men caught on security cameras at Portland airport in Maine at 5.45am on September 11 would be flying an airliner into the north tower of the World Trade Centre just three hours later.
 
The images released yesterday by the US authorities show Mohamed Atta with a man using the name Abdulaziz al-Omari about to board a USAir flight to Boston, where they and three colleagues seized control of American Airlines flight 11. Atta is thought to have been at the controls when the plane hit the north tower at 8.45am. Investigators also have security camera footage of two of the hijackers from American Airlines flight 77, which hit the Pentagon in Washington.
The Portland footage shows the men passing easily through airport security. Casually dressed in open-necked shirts and carrying small bags, they are shown clearing the metal detectors and baggage X-ray machines unchallenged.
According to US investigators, the Portland images provide clear evidence that Atta, 33, was one of the hijackers. His father had claimed yesterday that his son was alive and had spoken to him since the disaster." - Guardian (12/21/01)
 
 
 
Officials say seized car rented from Boston
 
"Two suspects in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center drove from Massachusetts before boarding a commuter flight at the Portland International Jetport, Gov. Angus King said during a radio show.
 
The suspect, Mohamed Atta, 33, was one of two men seen on a surveillance tape boarding a flight in Portland, the Globe said. The pair flew to Boston and boarded another plane that crashed into the World Trade Center.
 
FBI agents were at the Portland airport and reviewed surveillance tapes taken at a security checkpoint, which captured the two suspects on video, said Portland Police Chief Michael Chitwood. Agents also interviewed workers and guests at the Comfort Inn in South Portland." - USA Today (09/13/01)
 
Photo source:  "Mohamed Atta and Abdul Aziz Al-Omari passing through security at Portland Airport in Maine on September 11 (source: FBI)" - ABC-AU Four Corners
 
- See hi res photos:  pic 1, pic 2, pic 3
 
(See also:  September 25, 2001 - Mohamed Atta's father says it's not Atta on Portland security tape)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Two of Mohamed Atta's luggage, which contained incriminating evidence, were the only luggage of the 81 passengers aboard Flight 11 that didn't make it on the plane.
 
Airline denied Atta paradise wedding suit; At last minute, American turned away luggage containing cologne, gold Koran
 
"The clothing found in one of hijacking ringleader Mohamed Atta's bags wasn't a pilots' uniform, as first reported, but his paradise wedding suit, says an American Airlines employee who was with authorities when they first opened his luggage.
 
Alongside the navy suit – which was eerily laid out as if Atta were in it, with a sapphire-blue necktie looped under a crisp dress-shirt collar and neatly knotted – was a bottle of cologne. At the foot of the bag, which had been locked, was a fancy leather-bound Koran painted gold.
 
Because of an American policy instated just before Sept. 11 to curb baggage-related flight delays, Atta's two checked bags – which had been held up from an earlier flight – were left behind in Boston, says the employee, who requested anonymity for fear of reprisal from the Dallas-based carrier, which continues to gag all employees from talking about the Sept. 11 hijackings. Two of the hijacked flights were American.
As it happens, Atta was the only passenger among the 81 aboard American Flight 11 whose luggage didn't make the flight, American sources confirm. Atta is thought to have piloted the Boeing 767, loaded with some 16,000 gallons of fuel, into the first World Trade Center tower a year ago today.
 
As a result, the 33-year-old Egyptian native, who was single, was denied his ceremonial outfit with which he apparently expected to enter the Muslim version of Heaven and join in "marriage" the "women of paradise ... dressed in their most beautiful clothing," as a five-page letter found in his other bag envisioned it.
According to the Koran, Muslims' sacred book, the afterworld is more a physical than metaphysical place, filled with sensuous earthly pleasures. Martyrdom, or dying in the cause of Allah, is the shortest path to get there.
In preparation for martrydom, ablution.
"Shave excess hair from the body and wear cologne. Shower," advises the letter, which was handwritten in Arabic and later translated by the FBI (it's still not clear if Atta penned the letter himself). "Do not leave your apartment unless you have performed ablution."
The bag with the clothing, moreover, included only personal items, whereas the other bag contained utility items, such as navigational tools and even a large serrated knife.
 
He says as soon as he and others gathered at Logan International Airport saw the suit and other items arranged as they were in the suitcase, it became clear to them that Atta had no plans on coming back to this world.
 
The other bag, which had also been locked, contained, among other things:
* A videotape of the Boeing 757 aircraft.
* A flight operating manual for the Boeing 757, which has the same cockpit as the 767.
* An Arab-English dictionary.
* A packet of papers which included the 5-page letter, as well as Atta's last will and testament, which was dated April 11, 1996, and also written in Arabic.
* A chart-plotting ruler.
* A manual slide-rule device called an "E6B," but more commonly known as a flight "computer," which pilots use to measure fuel consumption, weight and balance and other things.
* A folding-blade knife with finger grips on the handle.
 
One suitcase had Atta's earthly belongings, including many things he used or wanted to use in his mass-murdering plot, while the other contained his spiritual requirements to enter paradise.
"It was clear to us he did not want to check those bags," the American employee said.
Indeed, Atta intended to carry on all three of the bags he initially brought with him to Portland International Jetport in Maine earlier that morning, sources there say.
But Atta was forced to check his two larger bags, described as soft-sided with roller boards, because the 19-seat commuter plane he flew to Boston allows passengers just one carry-on bag each, says a US Airways Express employee who works at the ticket counter where Atta checked in.
The two bags were tagged for final destination to Los Angeles International Airport, which is where Flight 11 had been bound.
Both Atta and his traveling companion and fellow hijacker, Abdulaziz Alomari, boarded US Airways Express Flight 5930 with one carry-on each.
Their carry-ons also contained papers, says a passenger who was seated two rows in front of Atta on the shuttle flight.
 
Roger Quirion of Winslow, Maine, says he observed the two, who he says were "joined at the hip," while waiting at the gate.
"They were sitting together, acting very serious. They were going through papers, something from their carry-on," Quirion told WorldNetDaily.
"It struck me as though they were preparing for some type of meeting," he added. "I thought they were business travelers."
When Atta arrived at Logan's Terminal B from Portland, little did he know that US Airways was slow in transferring his bags from the commuter jet to the American baggage dock.
They arrived before takeoff – but after American's just-imposed cut-off time for late baggage. The new rule refused any bags delivered within 10 minutes of the flight's scheduled take-off. Atta's came within several minutes.
"His bags, which were transferred rampside, were transferred late by US Airways Express," the American employee said.
As soon as the bags were dropped off at American's loading dock, a ground-crew worker checked the tag, put them on a cart and drove them out to the 767 getting ready to taxi to the runway.
But he got a "thumbs down" by the crew that loads the bags, the employee said.
"It was about three minutes before departure," he said. "They had it locked up, and it was ready to go."
The bags were brought back and tagged for rerouting to the 11 a.m. flight to LAX, he says.
When it became clear that Flight 11 had been hijacked, the crew chief called the Massachusetts State Police, which dispatched a state trooper to the baggage rerouting area with a bomb-sniffing dog, says the American source, who assisted the trooper and other authorities.
After the dog cleared the bags for explosives, the trooper had the small locks on Atta's bags cut off and the bags opened.
Then the FBI got involved.
Authorities were able to quickly ID the bags as Atta's thanks to information a flight attendant aboard Flight 11 phoned down to an American flight-services manager at Logan. She described the attackers and gave their seat numbers and Atta's name. " - WorldNetDaily (09/11/02)
 
 
 
FBI says cameras shows hijackers in Portland area
 
"Atta and Alomari drove to Portland in a car rented at Boston's Logan International Airport, then boarded a USAirways flight back to Boston. From there, they boarded American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center, the first building hit.
Alomari and Atta spent the night before the attack at the Comfort Inn in South Portland, about a mile from the airport, authorities said.
A bag that Atta checked at the airport in Portland never made the connecting flight in Boston. Officials said the bag contained a four-page document in Arabic which contained instructions for the mission as well as religious references." - USA Today (10/04/01)
 
 
 
• 9/11 (6:00 am) - NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called "Vigilant Guardian" in which some of it's military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were "part of the exercise."
 
"On Sept. 11, as Americans watched horror rain upon New York and Washington, command teams at a little-known military outpost in Rome, N.Y., worked feverishly to restore safe skies and rouse a slumbering homeland defense.
At the Northeast Air Defense Sector, radar operators who constantly scan the continent's boundaries suddenly faced a threat from within and a race they could not win.
6 A.M.: WAR GAMES
Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins figured it would be a long day.
Sept. 11 was Day II of "Vigilant Guardian," an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot.
At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane.
"It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought.
At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration.
On the phone she heard the voice of a military liaison for the FAA's Boston Center.
"I have a hijacked aircraft," he told her.
Six minutes after Boston Center's call, NEADS scrambled two armed F-15s at Otis Air Base on Cape Cod.
"We had no idea where the aircraft was," recalled Maj. James Fox, who gave the order. "We just knew it was over land, so we scrambled them towards land."
As the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the F-15s were rumbling off the runways at Otis.
Boston Center was still tracking a blip believed to be Flight 11." - Newhouse News Service (01/28/02)
 
"At 8:40 a.m. EDT, Tech. Sgt. Jeremy W. Powell of North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, N.Y., took the first call from Boston Center. He notified NEADS commander Col. Robert K. Marr, Jr., of a possible hijacked airliner, American Airlines Flight 11.
"Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told. Several days into a semiannual exercise known as Vigilant Guardian, NEADS was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab."
In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. Senior officers involved in Vigilant Guardian were manning Norad command centers throughout the U.S. and Canada, available to make immediate decisions.
Fortunately, Maj. Gen. Eric A. Findley, another Canadian and Norad's director of operations, was already in the mountain for the Vigilant Guardian exercise." - Aviation Week (06/03/02)
 
"If that weren't protection enough, on September 11th, NEADS (or the North East Air Defense System dept of NORAD) was several days into a semiannual exercise known as "Vigilant Guardian". This meant that our North East Air Defense system was fully staffed. In short, key officers were manning the operation battle center, "fighter jets were cocked, loaded, and carrying extra gas on board."
Lucky for the terrorists none of this mattered on the morning of September 11th." - Statement of Mindy Kleinberg to the 9/11 Commission (03/31/02)
 
"116. On 9/11, NORAD was scheduled to conduct a military exercise, Vigilant Guardian, which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. We investigated whether military preparations for the large-scale exercise compromised the military's response to the real-world terrorist attack on 9/11. According to General Eber-hart, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation. Ralph Eberhart testimony, June 17, 2004.We found that the response was, if anything, expedited by the increased number of staff at the sectors and at NORAD because of the scheduled exercise. See Robert Marr interview (Jan. 23, 2004)." - 9/11 Commission
 
"On the morning of 9/11, we were conducting a NORAD command post exercise and our headquarters and regions were postured for “wartime conditions.” Six minutes prior to the first attack on the World Trade Center, the FAA informed NORAD of the potential hijack of American Airlines Flight 11. As events unfolded throughout the morning, NORAD responded immediately with fighters and appropriate airspace control measures. Unfortunately, due to the constraints of time and distance, we were unable to influence the tragic circumstances." - Gen. Ralph Eberhart testimony, 9/11 Commission (06/17/04)
 
 
 
9/11 Tapes Reveal Ground Personnel Muffled Attacks
 
"So many unconnected dots, contradictions and implausible coincidences. Like the fact that NORAD was running an imaginary terrorist-attack drill called "Vigilant Guardian" on the same morning as the real-world attacks. At 8:40 a.m., when a sergeant at NORAD’s center in Rome, N.Y., notified his northeastern commander, Col. Robert Marr, of a possible hijacked airliner—American Flight 11—the colonel wondered aloud if it was part of the exercise. This same confusion was played out at the lower levels of the NORAD network." - New York Observer (06/17/04) [Reprinted at:  dangerouscitizen.com]
 
(See also:  9/11 (9:00 am) - The CIA began an exercise to simulate a plane crashing into one of it's buildings; September 12, 2001 - FEMA scheduled to participate in biochemical attack drill called "Operation TRIPOD" in New York City; February 11, 2005 - Donald Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers confirm there were four wargames on 9/11)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - President Bush is in Florida in which his brother Jeb is the Governor and was the state that had controversially handed him the 2000 presidency.
 
"...you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack.  I was in Florida," said Bush. -White House (12/04/01)
 
"The previous evening Mr Bush had dined beachside with his brother Jeb, the governor of Florida, the state that had, albeit controversially, handed him the presidency." - Telegraph-UK (12/16/01)
 
(See also:  September 7, 2001 - Jeb Bush signs a two year Florida executive emergency order four days before 9/11; 8:52 am - President Bush arrives at Booker Elementary school in Sarasota, FL)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Former President, ex-CIA Director, and Bush's father George H. W. Bush had spent the night at the White House the night before and supposedly leaves early in the morning before the attacks occur.
 
 
 
'George And Laura', September 11, 2001, A Tuesday
"Nine hundred miles to the north, Laura Bush also started the day early. In her husband's absence, the job of taking Spot the English springer spaniel and their frisky black Scottish terrier Barney for their morning walk had fallen to the First Lady. Afterward, Laura returned to the second-floor family quarters for a quick breakfast with her in-laws. George H. W. Bush and his wife Barbara had spent the night at the White House and were about to board a private jet bound for a speaking engagement in Minnesota." -CBS 'The Early Show' (10/01/02)
 
(See also: September 10, 2001 - Former President Bush meets with Osama's brother at Carlyle Group meeting in Washington D.C.)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Defense contractor, The Carlyle Group, is hosting a business conference in D.C. in which featured honored guest is one of Osama Bin Laden's brother.
 
"On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel.  Among the guests of honor was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama." - Guardian Unlimited (05/16/02)
 
(See also: September 10, 2001 - Former President Bush meets with Osama's brother at Carlyle Group meeting in Washington D.C.)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Three F-16 jetfighters from the D. C. National Guard at Andrews AFB, which is 15 miles from the Pentagon, were flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina.
 
"The 121st squadron's day had started normally. Three F-16s were flying an air-to-ground training mission on a range in North Carolina, 180 naut. mi. away." - Aviation Week (09/09/02)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - All of the five alleged Flight 77 hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA -- the U.S.'s most powerful spy agency in which it's 38,000 employees are sworn to a lifetime of secrecy.
 
"A few miles out of Washington, on Route 1 to Baltimore, lies an inconspicuous military installation called Fort Meade.
And yet it contains the largest mass of secrets in the world.
It is home to the National Security Agency (NSA), the least visible but most powerful spy agency in America's armoury.
The NSA's job is to eavesdrop on the world's phone calls and emails, but do not try to phone them.
The NSA website does not list a phone number. You do not contact them. They listen to you.
Though invisible on the map, 38,000 people work at the agency every day, more than the CIA and FBI put together - every one of them sworn to a lifetime of secrecy.
When Osama bin Laden first moved to Afghanistan, the NSA listened in to every phone call he made on his satellite phone.
In fact, one of the most bizarre ironies of all this is that five of the hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA.
Early on the morning of 11 September, when Hani Hanjour and his four accomplices left the Valencia Motel on US route 1 on their way to Washington's Dulles airport, they joined the stream of NSA employees heading to work.
Three hours later, they had turned flight 77 around and slammed it into the Pentagon." - BBC (06/08/02)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - The Director of the NSA on 9/11 was Lieutenant General Michael V. Hayden from the United States Air Force.
 
"Lieutenant General Michael V. Hayden [United States Air Force] is Director, National Security Agency/Central Security Service (NSA/CSS), Fort George G. Meade, MD. As the Director of NSA/CSS, he is responsible for a combat support agency of the Department of Defense with military and civilian personnel stationed worldwide.
March 1999 - Present - Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Central Security Service, Ft. George G. Meade, MD" - NSA
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Possible terrorist incident against President Bush early in the morning at his hotel resort in Florida.
 
"At about 6 a.m. Sept. 11, Longboat Key Fire Marshall Carroll Mooneyhan was at the front desk of the Colony Beach & Tennis Resort as Bush prepared for his morning jog. From that vantage point, Mooneyhan overheard a strange exchange between a Colony receptionist and security guard.
A van occupied by men of Middle Eastern descent had pulled up to the Colony stating they had a “poolside” interview with the president, Mooneyhan said. The self-proclaimed reporters then asked for a Secret Service agent by name. Guards from security relayed the request to the receptionist, who had not heard of either the agent or plans for an interview, Mooneyhan said.
The receptionist gave the phone over to a nearby Secret Service agent, who said the same thing — no one knew of an agent by that name or of any poolside interview.
The agent told the occupants of the van to contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, D. C., and turned them away from the premises, Mooneyhan said." - Longboat Observer (09/26/01)
 
(Also see:  September 9, 2001 - General Ahmed Shah Massoud, the leader of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance, is assassinated by two Arabs posing as journalists.)
 
 
 
• 9/11 (6:47 am) - The WTC 7's fire alarm system is placed on "TEST" mode for an eight hour period for "maintenance or other testing" in which any alarms that are received from the system are not shown on the operator’s display and are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.
 
"Finding 2.25: The fire alarm system that was monitoring WTC 7 sent to the monitoring company only one signal (at 10:00:52 a.m. shortly after the collapse of WTC 2) indicating a fire condition in the building on September 11, 2001. This signal did not contain any specific information about the location of the fire within the building. From the alarm system monitor service view, the building had only one zone, “AREA 1.” The building fire alarm system was placed on TEST for a period of 8 h beginning at 6:47:03 a.m. on September 11, 2001. Ordinarily, this is requested when maintenance or other testing is being performed on the system, so that any alarms that are received from the system are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored. NIST was told by the monitoring company that for systems placed in the TEST condition, alarm signals are not shown on the operator’s display, but records of the alarm are recorded into the history file." - NIST: Progress Report - Chp 1; (PDF - pg 28) (June '04)
 
 
 
• 9/11 (7:59 am) - Two bags with Mohamed Atta's name tags are on a Portland flight, but are not transferred onto Flight 175 out of Logan Airport.
 
FBI seizes records of students at flight schools
 
"Atta got on the jet off a connecting flight from Portland, Maine. Two bags with Atta's name tags were on the Portland flight, but did not get transferred in time to be loaded on the Los Angeles-bound flight that left Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m., about 45 minutes before it smashed into the World Trade Center tower in New York." - St. Petersburg Times (09/13/01)
 
 
 
• 9/11 (8:00 am) - In his first round of intelligence briefings of the day, Bush's is briefed on the heightened terrorist risk reported throughout the summer.
 
"On his return to the Colony, the President...sat down for the first routine intelligence briefing of the day. It was 8 am.
The President's briefing appears to have included some reference to the heightened terrorist risk reported throughout the summer, but contained nothing specific, severe or imminent enough to necessitate a call to Condoleezza Rice, his 47-year-old National Security Adviser." - Telegraph (12/16/01)
 
 
 
• 9/11 (8:10 am) - Flight 77 takes of from Dulles airport in Washington D.C. in which the Bureau of Transportation Statistics shows no stats for Flight 77 taking off that day, was piloted by Capt. Charles Burlingame who was a Navy fighter pilot and once worked on anti-terrorism strategies in the Pentagon (the same area of the Pentagon that got hit), and one of the many unusual passengers on this flight was an Ex-Navy Admiral who also was a jet fighter pilot that once worked in the Pentagon and was also an American Airlines captain.
 
"At Dulles Airport, Capt. Charles Burlingame, who had been a Navy F-4 pilot and once worked on anti-terrorism strategies in the Pentagon, was steering his 757, American Airlines Flight 77, down the runway for the long flight to Los Angeles." - Washington Post (09/16/04)
 
"Mark Burlingame said his brother was in the Navy Reserve and had worked in the same area of the Pentagon where the airliner crashed." - Newsday
 
"Retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Wilson “Bud” Falor Flagg was on American Airlines Flight 77 on Sept. 11 with his wife Darlene Ellen "Dee" Embree Flagg.
A graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, he went on to flight training and was designated a Naval aviator. He was deployed three times to Southwest Asia on the USS Oriskany, two of them combat cruises. He left active duty in 1967 and joined American Airlines and the Naval Reserve.
As a Naval Reserve officer, he commanded two F-8 squadrons and two augment units, U.S. Naval Air Forces Eastern Atlantic and Reserve Readiness Command Region Two. He served in the Pentagon as special assistant to the deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for reserve affairs and as assistant chief of Naval operations for air warfare. He also served as assistant chief of staff, readiness and training, on the staff of commander Naval Air Forces U.S. Atlantic Fleet, and as deputy for reserve affairs on the staff of commander in chief, U.S. Atlantic Fleet. He was promoted to rear admiral in 1986 and retired in 1995 with two stars. He retired in 1998 from American Airlines as a captain, flying international flights." - Defend America
 
(See also:  BTS statistics for Flight 77; Killtowns:  The unusual passengers of Flight 77)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - The instant messaging service Odigo, says that two of its workers at their Israeli facility received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen.
 
"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya." - Haaretz
 
"Officials at an instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks.
Citing a pending investigation by law enforcement, the company declined to reveal the exact contents of the message or to identify the sender.
But Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack.
Soon after the terrorist attacks on New York, the Odigo employees notified their management, who contacted Israeli security services. In turn, the FBI was informed of the instant message warning. FBI officials were not immediately available for comment today." - September11News.com/Washington Post
 
(See also:  September 4, 2001 - Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves out of the WTC; 9/11 - Elite Israeli military commando who understands Arabic allegedly shot on Flight 11; 9/11 - Israeli spies caught cheering while filming themselves with the WTC burning in the background; 9/11 - Netanyahu says 9/11 attacks are " very good" for US/Israeli relations)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Before the Pentagon was hit, Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg was studying a new MASCAL emergency disaster plan which is based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the Pentagon.
 
"Matt Rosenberg was down on Corridor 8, a medic at the health clinic in the massive military headquarters, grateful for an uninterrupted hour in which he could study a new medical emergency disaster plan based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the place." - Washington Post (09/16/01)
 
"Matt Rosenberg was down on Corridor 8, a medic at the health clinic in the massive military headquarters, grateful for an uninterrupted hour in which he could study a new medical emergency disaster plan based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the place.
Into the Pentagon's health clinic rushed a man screaming, "Evacuate now! Evacuate now!" This was not part of the disaster drill Matt Rosenberg had studied earlier that morning. He stopped a procedure on a patient in Minor Surgery Treatment Room 2 and started evacuating patients.
A naval officer rushed in and said a patient was in the courtyard where some people, confused and scared, had rushed to escape the collapsing inferno inside Corridor 5. Rosenberg, 26, dashed down a hallway, pushing through hundreds of people escaping the opposite direction, until he reached the courtyard, where he saw smoke billowing and people staggering out from the area that had been hit. He grabbed his radio and called back to the clinic. "You need to initiate MASCAL [the disaster plan] right now! We have mass casualties! I need medical assets to the courtyard!" - Star Tribune/Washington Post (09/21/01) [Printer version]
 
Medic Describes 9/11 Response
"Excerpts from an interview with Sgt. Matthew Rosenberg regarding Sept. 11, 2001. Sgt. Rosenberg is an Army medic assigned to the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic, the Pentagon. He also serves as the noncommissioned officer in charge of mass casualty events. He was awarded the Soldiers Medal for his actions on Sept. 11.
The day started out pretty much like any other day. We were doing … minor procedures that day, when we found out that the World Trade Center had been hit. … Somebody came in and said, "The World Trade Center got hit," and we're like, "Yeah, we know. It's horrible." They're like, "No, it got hit again." And that's when we realized it was a terrorist thing.
I got about 20 feet into the center courtyard, and that's when I saw the smoke rising out of the side of the building. Then I started seeing patients coming out, and I picked up my radio: "This is Sergeant Rosenberg. You need to initiate the MASCAL [mass casualty] plan now. We have multiple patients in the center courtyard, and I need medical assets in the center courtyard immediately." - Office of Medical History, OTSG (09/06/02)
 
Excerpts from an interview with Sergeant Matthew Rosenberg, a medic at the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic.
"We had virtually completed our MASCAL plan. I was setting up training for medics, I was in the process of ordering new supplies, and trying to reinvent what we would do, how we would go about it. We still had the old MASCAL kits in place, and everything under the old guidance, and we were trying to take that a step beyond. Believe it or not, the day prior to the incident, I was just on the phone with the FBI, and we were talking ‘so who has command should this happen, who has the medical jurisdiction, who does this, who does that,’ and we talked about it and talked about it, and he helped me out a lot. And then the next day, during the incident, I actually found him. He was out there on the incident that day, and I made the joke, “You know, I used to have questions about all this, about who would have the command.” He would say, “You got any more questions?” I went, “Nope, not anymore.”
When I started seeing patients coming out of the building, I picked up my radio, and I called in, “This is Sergeant Rosenberg. You need to initiate the MASCAL plan now. We have multiple patients in the center courtyard, and I need medical assets in the courtyard immediately.” - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon [HTML]
 
(See also:  September 10, 2001 - Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg is on the phone with the FBI talking about who has command of the MASCAL plane crash plan if a plane hits the Pentagon; 9/11 - Emergency equipment for the MASCAL plane crash plan was already out of their storage areas for an inventory check before the Pentagon was hit)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Emergency equipment for the Pentagon's MASCAL emergency plane crash plans were already out of their storage areas for an inventory check before the Pentagon was hit.
 
Excerpts from an interview with Major Lorie A. Brown, who was Chief Nurse of DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic.
"Because the crash site was on the west side of the building the clinic was almost directly opposite, our corridor was a clear avenue for people to escape. As soon as I saw that, we initiated the MASCAL, [mass casualty plan] started galvanizing all of our assets and put our plan in action.
We actually had our MASCAL equipment out of the storage areas because we were doing an inventory. So there were many pieces that just fell into place and worked so well on that day. It was just fortuitous. It was just amazing that way that things kind of happened the way they did. But like I said our planning truly made such a huge difference on that day. Our Commander had the foresight to focus on MASCAL prep and gave us the time and budget to really revamp our old MASCAL plan. I can’t say enough about how critical this was to our success." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon [HTML]
 
(See also:  9/11 - Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg was studying the MASCAL plane crash plan right before the Pentagon was hit; 9/11 - A Pentagon rescuer mentions how "eerie" it was that the MASCAL plane crash plan that he had twice trained for was "very similar to what actually happened" )
 
 
 
• 9/11 - A "garrison control exercise" was being conducted at Fort Belvoir, less than 20 miles from the Pentagon, to "test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack" and a team there was conducting classes about rescue techniques and then were one of the first responders to the Pentagon.
 
An Engineer's Expertise Joins a Firefighter's Nightmare
 
"Two groups rushing to the Pentagon that fateful morning were the firefighters from the Fort Belvoir Fire Department and a contingent of engineers from Headquarters Battalion, USAG Fort Belvoir, Military District of Washington.
"Ironically, we were conducting classes about rescue techniques when we were told of the planes hitting the World Trade Center," said Staff Sgt. Mark Williams. "My team was one of the initial response groups and one of the first to enter the building upon our arrival at the site.
 
AS FATE WOULD have it, that is exactly were the office of Fort Belvoir's new commanding officer, Col. Thomas Williams, who took command on July 11, 2002, had been just moments before.
 
Col. Williams was not in the area of his office at the moment of impact. But two who were paid the ultimate price, and another suffered severe burns, from which he is still recovering.
 
Lt. Col. Mark R. Lindon, Commander, Headquarters Battalion at Belvoir, was conducting a garrison control exercise. The object was to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. That training exercise went operational that morning.
"I was out checking on the exercise and heard about the World Trade Center on my car radio. As soon as it was established that this was no accident, we went to a complete security mode. Some people waited up to three hours to get on base that day," Lindon recalled.
"Throughout the next 10 days, I was operating security either here or at the Pentagon." - Connection Newspapers (09/05/02)
 
 
 
- Ft Belvoir to the Pentagon = approx 18 miles - Yahoo Maps
 
 
 
(See also:  June 29, 2001 - MASCAL exercise about a terrorist incident involving an explosion is conducted at Fort Belvoir to test first team's "external response" )
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
• 9/11 - A training exercise in "airport emergency operations" is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon.
 
 
 
Belvoir firefighter among first responders at Pentagon
 
"A training exercise in airport emergency operations at Fort Myer brought an assistant fire chief from Fort Belvoir to the Pentagon shortly after an aircraft crashed into its west wall.
 
As training officer for the Fort Belvoir Fire Department, Dodge has acquired an expertise on airport emergency operations because of the Belvoir department's responsibilities at Davison Army Airfield. The morning of Sept. 11 the 28-year veteran was conducting training for the Fort Myer crew on precisely that topic.
 
He and the class participants had heard during the first break in the training schedule about the first plane crash into one of the towers at the World Trade Center.
"We didn't have access to a TV or anything," he said. "So we just kept on going with the training program. All of a sudden we heard this BOOM! And we felt the building shake. Everyone just looked at each other like, 'what was that?' Then one of the fire units from Arlington came over the radio and said they saw an aircraft go down in the vicinity of the Pentagon."
 
Dodge said at that point everyone in the class just got up and left to get on the fire trucks. He jumped into a vehicle with Fort Myer's acting battalion commander, Dennis Gilroy.
Once inside the truck, the fire teams received the news an aircraft had crashed into the Pentagon.
 
"The word was that the unit on the ground [the helipad firefighters who are part of the Fort Myer Fire Department] were involved," Dodge said. "That didn't sound too good. When they say involved, it meant they were a part of the crash.
 
"We were one of the very first ones there," Dodge said, "aside from the crew that was already positioned at the Pentagon.
 
He said at that point, something caught his attention.
"I saw one the guys from Fort Myer was trying to get as much equipment as possible off the crash truck parked at the helipad area," said Dodge, whose father retired from the Air Force following his last assignment at the Pentagon.
"The crash truck [stationed at the Pentagon] was engulfed in flames, and they were trying to save what they could." - MDW (10/04/01)
 
 
 
Local heroes: FMMC fire department reflects on attacks
 
"The Fort Myer Military Community Fire Department had three men on the scene at the Pentagon when the attack occurred. In a matter of minutes, the rest of the team from Fort Myer joined the three men.
 
The FMMC fire department is responsible for the landings and take-offs at the Pentagon heliport. The department sends three men to the Pentagon each day to cover the flights, according to FMMC Fire Chief Charles Campbell.
 
While the three men were at the Pentagon, the majority of the men from the department were in an airport rescue firefighters class in the Education Center at Fort Myer.
 
Immediately, the firemen got their equipment and went to the Pentagon to aid the victims.
 
The ride to the Pentagon took about four minutes, William Harris, a Fort Myer fire department sergeant, said. Harris was the driver of Engine 161." - DC Military (11/02/01)
 
 
 
FMMC firefighters respond to terrorist action at Pentagon
 
"Fort Myer, located approximately a mile from the Pentagon..." - DC Military (09/14/01)
 
 
 
(See also:  April 23, 2001 - Fort Myer conducts a "Force Protection Exercise"; September 5, 2001 - Fort Myer and McNair implement "full access control" )
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Bernard Brown Jr., a young passenger on Flight 77 that was participating in a field trip, gets a lecture from his father about dying before his flight.  His father tells him "don't be afraid to die because we all are going to die someday."  Bernard's father, Navy Chief Petty Officer Bernard Brown Sr., takes a "rare day off" from work that day to play golf.  Bernard's dad works at the Pentagon.  He works in the same wing of the Pentagon that was hit by hijacked Flight 77.  
 
 
 
Terror’s youngest victims; Unspeakable heartbreak for families of students killed on American Airlines Flight 77
 
"His father, a Navy chief petty officer, says he sat his son down on the morning of Sept. 11, and had a serious talk with him about dangers he might encounter on the trip.
“To be honest — totally honest — we talked about death,” he says. “And I just told him, ‘Don’t be afraid.’ Just because the events that they were going to do were pretty dangerous. Just listen to what the people tell you, and the instructions, you’ll be all right. You’ll be fine. He said ‘Daddy, I’m scared,’ and I said, ‘hey, don’t be scared, don’t be afraid to die. Because we all are going to die someday.’”
Bernard’s mom Sinata Brown went to work. Her husband Bernard took a rare day off to play golf. Had he not — he would have been in his office at the Pentagon when the plane slammed in at 9:43.
Tragically, his own son’s memorial is not the only one Bernard Brown expects to attend.
That’s because Flight 77 — the flight carrying Bernard Brown’s son — actually crashed into the wing of the Pentagon where he works. Few of his colleagues survived." -MSNBC (09/25/01) [Reprinted at: wildfuryx]
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Five Raytheon employees are on three of the four hijacked planes.
 
 
 
 
 
Flight 11:  "Peter Gay, 54, Tewksbury, Massachusetts - Raytheon Co. vice president of operations for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for more than 28 years." - September11Victims.com
 
 
 
"While most of the children stayed in the area when they grew up, the second oldest, Peter, moved north of Boston to become a plant manager for Raytheon. But he stayed close to his family, spending summers with them on Cape Cod. And he never forgot the attention to spit and polish, in his work or play. "It doesn't shine itself," he'd reply when people admired the condition of his vintage car.
Mr. Gay, who would have turned 55 this month, was commuting to California, where he'd been asked to increase production at a Raytheon plant producing a new military radar system. The plant had been producing five systems a day and the goal was nine; when Mr. Gay boarded Flight 11 for his weekly commute on Sept. 11, production was up to 14." - legacy.com
 
 
 
"David P. Kovalcin, 42, Hudson, New Hampshire - Raytheon Co. senior mechanical engineer for electronic systems in Tewksbury, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for 15 years." - September11Victims.com
 
 
 
"Mr. Kovalcin, 42, was a passenger on Flight 11, on a business trip for Raytheon, where he was a senior mechanical engineer. Mrs. Kovalcin said they had carved out a "Father Knows Best" kind of life, with him coming home at six every evening, choosing to know his family well rather than to work longer hours for more money.
She remembers that her husband had trouble sleeping two nights before his departure. "He woke me up at 3 a.m., and said 'I'm pacing the house. I can't sleep,' " she said.
"I rubbed his head and tried to calm him down. He was very distressed, but had no idea what it was. Then three days later I remembered, and thought, 'Holy cow, I wonder what that was about.' "
The morning he left home he had written a note for his family: "Rebecca, Marina and Mommy, I will miss everybody very much. See you Friday night." At the end he added, "I fed the dogs but not the fish." - legacy.com
 
 
 
"Kenneth Waldie, 46, Methuen, Massachusetts - Raytheon Co. senior quality control engineer for electronic systems in Tewksbury, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for 17 years." - September11Victims.com
 
 
 
"Mr. Waldie, who lived in Methuen, Mass., had two other children: Andrew, 24, and Jeff, 21. A senior quality control engineer at Raytheon, he was headed to California on a business trip.
Around work, his colleagues referred to him as "911," because of his generosity whenever someone needed help. His favorite number happened to be 11, and he was on Flight 11 when it crashed on the 11th." - legacy.com
 
 
 
 
 
Flight 175:  "Herbert W. Homer, 48, Milford, Mass. - Corporate executive, Raytheon Co." - September11Victims.com
 
 
 
"Herb W. Homer of Milford, an official with the US Department of Defense, was killed Tuesday when United Airlines Flight 175 crashed in New York. He was 48.
Mr. Homer served as a US official coordinating government work by Raytheon Co. in Burlington. He began his 27-year federal career at the Defense Contract Management Agency's Raytheon office in 1974.
 
A member of First Congregational Church of Milford, he worked on several church committees and volunteered in the church nursery." - legacy.com
 
 
 
"The Department of Defense announced today that Herbert W. Homer, a civilian employee of the Defense Contract Management Agency, was among the passengers aboard United Airlines Flight # 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center. He was previously listed in error as unaccounted at the Pentagon." - DoD (09/15/01)
 
 
 
Flight 77:  "Stanley Hall, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. - director of program management, Raytheon Co." - September11Victims.com
 
 
 
"Stan Hall, 68, was on board the American Airlines Flight 77, Tuesday, September 11, that crashed into the Pentagon. He was born in Arlington, Virginia, and attended Washington Lee High School. In 1953, Stan was drafted into the Army and served for two years during the Korean War. He graduated from George Washington University with a Bacheolor in Engineering in 1959 and a Masters from Drexell University in 1963.
Stan was an active member of the South Bay Church of God for 11½ years. He was a Sunday School teacher and on the Board of Trustees.
He left his home in Rancho Palos Verdes six years ago to work at Raytheon's Washington DC facility, where he was director of program management. He was on his way to the company's operations in Goleta.
Stan, a 17 year veteran of the company formerly known as Hughes, helped develop and build anti-radar technology.
"He was our 'dean' of electronic warfare, and his objective was always to the protection of the American servicemen," colleaques remembered.
On November 13, 5001 Army Brigadier General Edward M. Harrington, Director of the Defense Contract Management Agency, on the behalf of President Bush awarded the Defense of Freedom Medal to Stan Hall as well as 3 other Raytheon employees. The medal was to recognize civilian Deparment of Defense employees killed Sepember 11, 2001. It is the equalivant to the Purple Heart for civilains." - legacy.com
 
 
 
Raytheon Employees Lost to the Sept. 11 Tragedy Awarded Defense of Freedom Medal
"Army Brigadier General Edward M. Harrington, director of the Defense Contract Management Agency, awarded the Defense of Freedom Medal, the civilian equivalent of the Purple Heart, to the families of the Raytheon employees who died in the Sept. 11 tragedy: Peter Gay of Tewksbury, Mass., Stanley Hall of Clifton, Va., David Kovalcin of Hudson, N.H., and Kenneth Waldie of Methuen, Mass., in a ceremony held at Raytheon's Andover, Mass., facility.
 
Herb Homer, a Defense Contract Management Agency defense corporate executive assigned to Raytheon, was also awarded the Defense of Freedom Medal. The medal, created to recognize and honor civilian employees of the Department of Defense who were killed or wounded during the terrorist attacks, can be awarded to non-Defense employees based on their involvement in DoD activities at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense." - Raytheon; PRNewswire (10/13/01)
 
 
 
September 11 Remembrance
"I will always remember what it felt like when I learned that we had four people on those planes: Peter Gay, Stan Hall, Dave Kovalcin, and Ken Waldie. We lost other colleagues as well: Herb Homer of the Defense Contract Management Agency, who was assigned to Raytheon and worked side-by-side with us for many years, and three PricewaterhouseCoopers associates working on the Raytheon account." - Raytheon
 
(See also:  September 6, 2001 - Raytheon and the U.S. Air Force demonstrate new technology aircraft precision approach and landing system; September 10, 2001 - Wife of David Kovalcin said her husband woke her up in the middle of the night complaining he couldn't sleep and that he seemed "very distressed" but she didn't know why; Killtown's:  Flight 77 unusual passengers)
 
 
 
• 9/11 - Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) and Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) -- the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees -- along with Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ) and some other members of the House Intelligence Committee are in a meeting at the Capital building with the director of Pakistani intelligence (ISI), Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad, who authorized a $100,000 wire transfer to alleged lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta.
 
A Cloak But No Dagger
 
"On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban." - Washington Post (05/18/02)
 
 
 
U.S. seeks reform of Pakistan spy agency
 
"When terrorists flew hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, then ISI chief Gen. Mahmud Ahmad was visiting Washington. The Bush administration asked him to visit Afghanistan and convince the Taliban to surrender al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden, the man believed to have masterminded the attacks.
Instead, Ahmad advised the Taliban not to turn over bin Laden. He argued the Americans were only bluffing and they would not invade Afghanistan. He was fired by Musharraf upon returning from the Taliban headquarters in Kandahar." - UPI (02/20/04)
 
 
 
Spying eyes and ears
"On the morning of Tuesday, Sept. 11, in a room on the House side of the Capitol, Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla. -- the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, respectively -- met for breakfast. Also at the meeting were Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., and some other members of the House Intelligence Committee.
 
They were meeting with the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi, and the director of Pakistani intelligence, Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed. They were talking about the late-August trip Goss, Graham, and Kyl had made to Pakistan." - Salon (09/14/01)
 
 
 
Our Friends the Pakistanis
"Yesterday we noted a report from a Pakistani newspaper that Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad had been fired as head of Islamabad's Inter-Services Security agency after U.S. linked him to a militant allied with terrorists who hijacked an Indian Airlines plane in 1999. Now the Times of India


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Posté le 27-03-2006 à 23:54:10  profilanswer
 

Machiavelli1 a écrit :

Toi, c'est surement d'avoir passe tes jeudi soirs a jouer a "goblin slaughter" et les conventions de jeux de roles qui t'ont rendu si intelligent et fait de toi un etre vraiment terre a terre quand il en vient a des raisonement scientifiques, t'es vraiment trop fort...


Hola, on admire le monsieur, il a fait une chtite recherche sur mon pseudo  :D


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Ciler a écrit :

Hola, on admire le monsieur, il a fait une chtite recherche sur mon pseudo  :D


 
C'est plus que tu n'en a fait sur le 911....


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Ciler
Posté le 28-03-2006 à 00:02:12  profilanswer
 

Machiavelli1 a écrit :

C'est plus que tu n'en a fait sur le 911....


Oui, mais moi je m'en fous, ca m'empeche pas de dormir  :D


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Machiavell​i1
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Oui, mais moi je m'en fous, ca m'empeche pas de dormir  :D


 
Ce qui confirme bien que tu ne sait pas de quoi tu parles...


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Machiavelli1 a écrit :

Ce qui confirme bien que tu ne sait pas de quoi tu parles...


Au fait on attend toujours TA version des faits  :D


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