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Mais effectivement, rien de bien nouveau sous le soleil, on connait bien le personnage
 
Et si tu veux participer aux débats ici, hésite pas

Je voudrais savoir une bonne fois pour toute si l'histoire des 400 juifs qui ne seraient pas allés au travail le 11/9 est vraie ?

Je pense qu'à travers le monde, entre toutes les personnes qui ne sont pas allées à leur travail ce jour-là, au total il devait bien y avoir facilement 400 personnes de confession juive.
 
Par contre, pour le coup des juifs qui ne seraient pas allés bosser dans les tours jumelles ce jour-là, c'est du bon gros fake.

oh mais c est qu il remet ca en plus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-nf2zGhcAA

C'est une rumeur puante. Il y a estimé ~10% de juifs parmi les victimes.

edit : le lien vers USINFO pourrait peut être rajouté au premier lien "la rumeur des 4000 juifs qui ne seraient pas venu travailler"
 
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The 4,000 Jews Rumor

Shortly after September 11, 2001, false rumors began to circulate claiming that 4,000 Jews, or 4,000 Israelis, had failed to report for work at the World Trade Center (WTC) on 9/11, supposedly because they had been warned to stay away by Israeli secret services, which were allegedly responsible for the attack. The claim is totally false.

In a videotape broadcast on October 30, 2004, Osama bin Laden unequivocally admitted that he and al Qaeda had planned and directed the September 11 attacks. He stated, "I shall talk to you about the story behind those events [the September 11 attacks] and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken ...." He confirmed his direction of the details of operational planning, stating, "for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Atta ... that all operations should be carried out within twenty minutes, before Bush and his administration notice."

Moreover, in a videotape made in November 2001 and captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan, statements by Osama bin Laden made it clear that he planned the attacks:

"[W]e calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. ...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day."

Vague conspiracy theories blaming Israel began to appear within 24 hours of the attacks. Syria's government-owned Al Thawra newspaper may have been the first newspaper to make the "4,000 Jews" claim. According to U.S. embassy reporting, its September 15th edition falsely claimed "four thousand Jews were absent from their work on the day of the explosions."

The 4,000 figure apparently came from an article entitled "Hundreds of Israelis missing in WTC attack" which appeared in the September 12th internet edition of the Jerusalem Post. It stated, "The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attacks."

Unknown conspiracy theorists apparently seized upon the 4,000 figure, transforming it into the false claim that 4,000 Jews did not report for work at the World Trade Center on September 11.

A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, states, "based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner's Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish." This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%.

This 10-15% estimate of Jewish fatalities tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area. According to the 2002 American Jewish Year Book, 9% of the population of New York State, where 64% of the WTC victims lived, is Jewish. A 2002 study estimated that New York City's population was 12% Jewish. Forty-three percent of the WTC victims lived in New York City. Thus, the number of Jewish victims correlates very closely with the number of Jewish residents in New York. If 4,000 Jews had not reported for work on September 11, the number of Jewish victims would have been much lower than 10-15%.

The following partial list of 76 Jewish World Trade Center victims includes many from companies that were located at or above where the planes hit. These include Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees, Marsh & McLennan, which lost 295 employees, Aon Corporation, which lost 176 employees, and others.

Lee Alan Adler, 48, was a computer designer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Adler was a member of the board of trustees of Temple Beth Ahm in Springfield, New Jersey, where memorial services were held for him. He was married to his wife. Alice, for 15 years and had a 12-year old daughter. His daughter wrote in a February 22, 2002 message on an internet memorial site, "Daddy I love you!"

Joshua Aron, 29, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. Joshua's father, Barry Aron, says, "Not a minute goes by in a day that I don't think about Josh. ... It's like part of you being ripped out and you can't replace it." Barry talks to his son's widow, Rachel daily. Mr. Aron and Rachel would have celebrated their first wedding anniversary on September 16, 2001. Memorial services were held at the Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New York.

Michael Edward Asher, 53, was vice president and senior technology architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, he talked with his son Jeremy, 18, about rebuilding an old Jaguar automobile. Mr. Asher was also survived by his wife Dana and a daughter, Rachel, 16. A memorial service was held for him at the Monroe Temple of Liberal Judaism in Monroe, New York.

Debbie S. Bellows, 30, was an executive assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was survived by her husband Sean, who wrote, "Debbie meant the world to me. ... My heart will always be filled with the love and beauty that filled her soul." A memorial service was held for Ms. Bellows at the Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.

Alvin Bergsohn, 48, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. From a picture posted on the Internet, it appears that he was survived by a wife and two sons. A service was held for him at the South Baldwin Jewish Center in Baldwin Harbor, New York.

Shimmy D. Biegeleisen, 42, was vice president of Fiduciary Trust International. Susan Townsend, who interviewed for a job at Mr. Biegeleisen's company, described him "a genuinely kind and gentle soul, a man of true integrity." A friend, Joseph Weinberger, said he was "a person with a golden heart, loved everybody, always with a smile." Another described him as "a perfect mix of God-fearing, friendly, and fun." Tony Skutnik said he was "a kind and gentle man, generous and forgiving almost to a fault." He was survived by a wife and five children.

Joshua David Birnbaum, 24, was an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. His best friend, Leehe Matalon, wrote, "Josh's smile always managed to light up the faces of those he surrounded himself with. He had a special charm ...." He was survived by his parents, Sam and Marcel, and a sister, Jill. A memorial service was held for him at the Sephardic Congregation of Long Beach in Long Beach, New York.

Kevin Sanford Cohen, 28, was a computer support person for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his parents, Barry and Marcia, and a brother Neil. His mother said that when she had asked him why he didn't slow down, he replied, "Mom, I believe in living life to the fullest." A memorial service was held for him at Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.

Michael Allen Davidson, 27, was an equity options trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. A co-worker named Jay wrote, "He could have been the nicest, most sensitive person I have ever met. Everyone loves him." He was engaged to be married the following July to Dominique DeNardo. Mr. Davidson was survived by his mother Ellen. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Beth Israel in Scotch Plains, New Jersey.

Peter Feidelberg, 34, worked for Aon corporation. Mr. Feidelberg was from Montreal, Canada, and worked at Aon with his wife, Meredith Ewart, whom he had married in March 2000. According to the Canadian Jewish News, Mr. Feidelberg attended Jewish Peoples School, ran in the 1998 New York Marathon, enjoyed rugby, mountain biking, skiing and scuba diving, and had backpacked through Europe, Costa Rica, Turkey and other countries.

Steven Mark Fogel, 40, was vice president and assistant general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Kori, a son and a daughter. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanuel in Westfield, New York.

Morton H. Frank, 31, was an insurance equities broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. In college, he was a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi. A childhood friend said he had "a fun-loving spirit and a wonderful heart." He had married his wife Jessica 14 months before 9/11.

Arlene Eva Fried, 49, was vice president and assistant general counsel at Cantor Fitzgerald. She met her future husband Ken when she was 15 and he was 17. When the youngest of their three daughters entered kindergarten, Arlene went back to school to study law. Her parents, Nicholas and Ronnie Joseph, were both survivors of Nazi concentration camps; her mother had been at Auschwitz. They wrote, in a October 13, 2003 internet tribute, "As Arlene Joseph Fried's parents, the loss is indescribable; a daughter with indescribable warmth and love toward her whole family and friends -- losing her left an unhealable wound in our hearts." A memorial service was held for her at Temple Beth Shalom in Roslyn, New York.

Douglas B. Gardner, 39, was a vice chairman at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife, Jennifer, and two children. Memorial services were held at the Stephen Weiss Free Synagogue in New York City.

Steven Paul Geller, 52, was an institutional trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Geller loved to cook with his daughter, Hali, 12. He was also survived by his wife, Debra. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Rodeph Sholom in New York City.

Marina Romanova Gertsberg, 25, was one of 16 Russian-speaking Jews who perished in the 9/11 attacks, according to World Congress of Russian Jewry. Her family had emigrated from Odessa, Ukraine to the United States when Marina was four so that her father would not have to serve with Soviet forces in Afghanistan. She joined Cantor Fitzgerald as a junior manager one week before September 11. A memorial service for her was held at the Manhattan Beach Jewish Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Jeffrey Grant Goldflam, 48, was senior vice president and chief financial officer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Goldflam was survived by his wife Risa and two children. He was a track and soccer star in high school. Robert Kayton, a college acquaintance, remembered Mr. Goldflam as "easygoing, friendly, and helpful." A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth Tohar in Melville, New York.

Michelle Herman Goldstein, 31, worked as a broker for Aon Risk Services insurance company. She had married her busband, Edward Goldstein, exactly seven months before 9/11. After the first plane struck the North tower of the World Trade Center, she called her mother, a Hebrew teacher at the Tamarac Jewish Center in Florida, from the 96th floor of the South tower to reassure her that she was all right. Her mother described her as "full of life. She lights up a room when she smiles."

Monica Goldstein, 25, was an accounts specialist at Cantor Fitzgerald. She spent long hours at her older sister's house, caring for her two young nephews and visiting with her sister. Her father said, "Her smile and her laugh were infectious. ... The loss has totally changed our lives. We'll never be the same anymore. ... She was a very, very special person." Ms. Goldstein was engaged to be married in September 2002. A memorial service was held for her at the Congregation B'nai Israel in Bay Terrace, New York.

Steven Goldstein, 35, had started work for Cantor Fitzgerald two weeks before September 11. Working in his basement, he had started and developed an online trading system, which he sold to Cantor Fitzgerald. His wife said his motivation was to make a lot of money and retire so he could spend time with his family. She said he loved nothing more than spending time with his one-year old son Harris and three-year old daughter Hanna. Mr. Goldstein had been a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi when at the University of Michigan.

Marcia Hoffman, 52, was vice president and senior technical architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. A former child-welfare worker, she switched to a career in computers. She was survived by her husband, Jim, and her daughter, Lara. A memorial service was held for her at the Kane Street Synagogue in New York City.

Aaron Horwitz, 24, was a bond broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was described as a showman who loved entertaining people, someone who "seized souls, not letting go until he made them merry." A memorial service was held for him at the Brotherhood Synagogue in New York City.

Daniel Ilkanayev, 36, was a senior programming analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Ilkanayev was born in Baku, Azerbaijan, in the former Soviet Union. He was one 16 Russian-speaking Jews who perished in the 9/11 attacks, according to World Congress of Russian Jewry.

Brooke Alexandra Jackman, 23, had just started working as an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, she had told her mother she was applying to Columbia University's School of Social Work because "there is more to life than making money." A crowd of 1,000 to 1,500 attended her memorial service at the Jewish Center in Oyster Bay, New York. She had volunteered a community soup kitchen and a thrift shop for cancer patients.

Aaron Jacobs, 27, was a vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was making plans for a honeymoon, perhaps to Africa, with his bride-to-be, Jeannine McAteer. He had backpacked through Europe, taught English in Mexico, and climbed a volcano in Greece. His dream was to retire at an early age and travel. He also taught job skills to welfare recipients. A memorial service for him was held at Temple Emanuel in Newton, Massachusetts.

Steven A. Jacobson, 53, was a transmission engineer working on the 110th floor of World Trade Center's north tower. His job was to keep the WPIX television station on the air, no matter what happened. After working the night shift at the television station, he opened the Town and Village synagogue where he worshipped. Mr. Jacobson was survived by his wife, Deborah, and two daughters, Rachel and Miriam. Family was the most important thing to him; he called his mother every day. Colleagues say he called them on September 11, saying his room was filling with smoke but it was too hot to leave even though he was having trouble breathing.

Shari Ann Kandell, 27, was a support staffer at Cantor Fitzgerald. She loved the theater and was studying for a degree in English in the evenings. Her father said, "the overwhelming and outstanding quality that Shari showed all her life was her total selflessness." Many at her memorial service at Temple Beth Rishon in Wyckoff, New Jersey spoke of her giving priority to the needs of others.

Andrew Keith Kates, 37, was a senior managing director of Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Emily Terry, two daughters, Hannah, 5, and Lucy, 3, and a son, Henry, 1. His wife said that although Mr. Kates was a serious bike rider, swimmer, and runner, having run the New York Marathon in three hours and 15 minutes, his family came first. Every Saturday morning, the children would crowd into bed with Mr. Kates and his wife. A memorial service for him was held at Congregation Rodeph Sholom in New York City.

Peter Rodney Kellerman, 35, was a vice president and equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Robi. Mr. Kellerman had a doctor's appointment on the morning of September 11, but came to work when the appointment was rescheduled. Friend Jon Bott wrote how he misses Mr. Kellerman's "infectious humor, your wonderful wit and how comfortable and easy you made people feel." A memorial service was held for him at the Park Avenue Synagogue in New York City.

Howard Kestenbaum, 56, was an executive vice president at Aon Corporation. His 24-year old daughter Lauren saw the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Mr. Kestenbaum, who was in the second tower hit, had evacuated his office on the 103rd floor and was at the 78th floor when his tower was struck. Witnesses say he was knocked unconscious by flying debris. Mr. Kestenbaum was always joking and made others laugh. He was an active member of Congregation Beth Ann in Verona, New Jersey, visited the sick and old, and volunteered at a homeless shelter.

Mary Jo Kimelman, 34, had worked for Cantor Fitzgerald for 13 years. Friends and family say she was an extremely loyal, outgoing person who wrote poetry and enjoyed traveling. Her boyfriend, Thierry LeBras, said she had a special talent of listening to people she had just met, getting them to open up about their lives. A memorial service was held for her at Temple Emanu-El in New York City.

Glenn Davis Kirwin, 40, was a senior vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was also an avid cyclist, runner, golfer, and skier, who would go on 80-kilometer bicycle rides. His wife, Joan, says he always found time to play with his sons, Miles, 10, and Troy, 7, even after long workdays. A memorial service was held for him at Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.

Alan Kleinberg, 39, was just days away from transferring to a different Cantor Firzgerald office on September 11. He was survived by his wife, Mindy, a three-year old son, Sam, a seven-year old daughter, Lauren, and a nine-year old son, Jacob. His mother said Mr. Kleinberg limited his outside interests so he could spend more time with his family. A memorial service was held for him at the Jewish Center in East Brunswick, New Jersey.

Karen Joyce Klitzman, 38, worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. She and her twin sister Donna spoke with each other every day on the phone. Karen had taught English for two years in Macao and Beijing, China, and traveled in Siberia and throughout the Middle East. A memorial service was held for her at Stephen Weiss Free Synagogue in New York City.

Nicholas Craig Lassman, 28, was a computer technician for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Lassman studied computers after several years of teaching golf in Florida. He also taught himself how to play the guitar and learned Russian and German so he could read books in those languages. He spoke to his parents, Ira and Laura Lassman, almost every day. A memorial service for Mr. Lassman was held at Temple Beth-El in Cloister, New Jersey.

Alan Lederman, 43, started work for Aon Corporation two months before September 11. Just before reporting to work, he climbed Mount Whitney, the tallest mountain in the continental United States. Most of his co-workers left the World Trade Center's south tower, where he worked, but Mr. Lederman stopped to help two women who were paralyzed by panic. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.

Neil D. Levin, 46, was Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs New York's three major airports, its port facilities, six bridges and tunnels, and is landlord of the World Trade Center complex. Mr. Levin was at a breakfast meeting at the Windows on the World restaurant atop the north tower when it was hit on September 11. Mr. Levin's wife, Christine Ferer, called him "the love of my life, the most kind and generous person," and someone who became a "super-Dad" to Ms. Ferer's two daughters from a previous marriage. A memorial service for Mr. Levin was held at the Temple Emanu-El in New York City. His family set up a scholarship fund in his name for children of Port Authority employees killed on September 11.

Steven Barry Lillianthal, 38, was a mortgage bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Adina, 4-year old twins, Emma and Gabriel, and a three-month old son, Sam. A memorial service was held for Mr. Lillianthal at Temple B'nai Abraham in Livingston, New Jersey.

Stuart T. Meltzer, 32, was an energy broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He had two young sons; the eldest, Jacob, was four years old when he died. His brother, Larry, said he talked with Stuart at least five times a day, often discussing sports. A memorial service for Mr. Meltzer was held at Temple Emeth in Brookline, Massachusetts.

Nancy Morgenstern, 32, was an administrative assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was an Orthodox Jew whose passions were cycling and skiing. She would bring kosher food and the pots and pans needed to stay kosher on cycling racing trips. In a website dedicated to her memory, her mother wrote, "Nancy, I miss you more than mere words can express. Not only were you my daughter, but you were also my best friend." A co-worker described Nancy as "one of the most thoughtful, disciplined, funny, crazy, independent women I ever knew." Fifty-eight friends wrote tributes to her on her memorial website.

Laurence M. Polatsch, 32, was a partner in equities sales at Cantor Fitzgerald. A prankster, Mr. Polatsch donned a tuxedo and crashed the 2000 wedding of celebrities Catherine Zeta-Jones and Michael Douglas. He ate with actor Jack Nicholson before security guards asked him to leave. Mr. Polatsch's mother said he once flew back from college to present her with flowers on her birthday. Recently, Mr. Polatsch had resumed a relationship with childhood sweetheart Marni Wasserman, and they were expected to marry. Guttermann Funeral Home in Woodbury, New York confirmed that Mr. Polatsch was Jewish.

Faina Rapaport, 45, was a computer programmer working as a consultant to Marsh & McLennan. In 1994, she and her family emigrated from Moscow, Russia to New York. At the time of her death, her son Alex was 25 and her daughter, Elena, 19. Elena said, "I know my mother is still happy about coming to America. She accomplished things that she never would have been able to do in Russia."

Joshua Reiss, 23, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. An enterprising young man, Joshua began delivering newspapers at age 10, worked in the family business before attending college, and worked full-time as a waiter while also being a full-time student with a double major at college. More than 1500 people attended his memorial service at Adath Israel Synagogue in Lawrenceville, New Jersey. On August 27, 2002, his mother wrote on the internet, "We miss you and still want you to come home. I will always have a void in my soul."

Brooke David Rosenbaum, 31, was supervisor in the overseas division of Cantor Fitzgerald. He was sick on September 10, but went to work the next day because, according to a friend, he felt that without him, "the whole place would fall apart." He was survived by his mother, Dorothy. A memorial service was held for him at the Jewish Center in Rego Park, New York.

Sheryl Lynn Rosenbaum, 33, was an accountant and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. Her father described her as the "glue" of their family. She was survived by her husband, Mark, and two children, aged 3 months and 17 months. A memorial service was held for her at Temple Har Shalom in Warren, New Jersey.

Lloyd Daniel Rosenberg, 31, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Glenna and three daughters, Samantha, 5, Kaylee, 3, and Alyssa, 1. His wife said that "Lloyd's passion was being a ‘daddy.' His girls were his pride and joy. I will forever miss the Saturday mornings when I would sneak downstairs and watch him reading them a book or playing ‘horsie.'" A memorial service was held for him at Temple Shalom in Aberdeen, New Jersey.

Mark Louis Rosenberg, 26, was a computer programmer for Marsh & McLennan. He attended Marsha Stern Talmudical Academy in New York and Yeshiva University for a short time. Mr. Rosenberg met his wife, Jennifer, at a Jewish youth event. She said, "He was a great people person. He got along with everybody. He had a great smile and a great sense of humor."

Andrew Ira Rosenblum, 45, was a broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He married his wife, Jill, at Temple Hillel in North Woodmere, New Jersey, and their sons Jordan and Kyle were 14 and 11, respectively, when their father died. Mr. Rosenblum's friend, Steve Cohen, said, "Andy was the kind of guy that had many circles of friends and many dear friends within each circle."

Joshua M. Rosenblum, 28, was an assistant trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was only four days away from marrying colleague Gina Hawryluk on September 11. Ms. Hawryluk stayed home from work that day to plan their wedding. Mr. Rosenblum and co-workers smashed out windows with computers on the 104th floor to let smoke escape. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth El in Cedarhurst, New York.

Joshua Rosenthal, 44, was a senior vice president at Fiduciary Trust. He was an avid reader, mountain hiker, and sailor. A friend described Mr. Rosenthal as "a wonderfully warm and witty person who was loved and admired by those who knew him." A memorial service was held for him at Birmingham Temple in Farmington Hills, Michigan.

Richard Rosenthal, 50, was vice president of finance at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Rosenthal was treasurer of the Jewish Center in Fair Lawn, New Jersey and also treasurer of the Dysautonomia Foundation. His son Evan, 18 years old when Mr. Rosenthal died, suffers from dysautonomia, a disorder of the nervous system that confines him to a wheelchair. Evan has needed a feeding tube to eat since he was 2. Friends say Mr. Rosenthal "was always with [Evan]." His younger son Seth, 15 years old when Mr. Rosenthal died, said, following September 11, "I'm going to keep calling him on the cell phone until he answers."

Michael Craig Rothberg, 39, was a managing director for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Rothberg was an avid skier, boater, and jogger. Described as "modest and unassuming" and extremely loyal to his co-workers, Mr. Rothberg raised money for multiple sclerosis in a bike-a-thon and for a friend who had cancer. A memorial service was held for him at the Temple Sholom in Greenwich, Connecticut.

Ronald J. Ruben, 36, was a vice president of equity trading at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Mr. Ruben, who was unmarried, "was Uncle Ronnie to 100 kids," said his sister, Leslie Dillon. When he received his first holiday bonus, he spent it all at a toy store, delivering gifts to children at a hospital near his home. Mr. Ruben's father, Peter, died of cancer in 1998 and his mother, Marjorie, died in 1996, also from cancer. To honor them, Mr. Ruben had their initials, M and P, tattooed over his heart. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Israel in Ridgewood, New Jersey.

Jason Elazar Sabbag, 26, was a portfolio manager at Fiduciary Trust. He was engaged to be married to Sarah Hare when he died. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Sholom in Greenwich, Connecticut, at which friends recalled his "warm demeanor, his playful sense of humor, his extraordinary talent in sports, academics, and business, and, most of all, his love for his family and very large circle of friends."

Eric Sand, 36, was an equity trader at cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Sand, a talented musician who had once pursued a career in music, had more recently played guitar for a special audience -- his young son, Aaron, who was 18 months old when Mr. Sand died. Mr. Sand's wife, Michelle, said he would rush home from work to spend as much time as possible with his son. A memorial service was held for Mr. Sand at Congregation B'nai Yisrael in Armonk, New York.

Scott Schertzer, 28, worked in the human resources department of Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, he felt terrible because he had to give layoff notices to a number of co-workers, but this saved their lives. Mr. Schertzer was an excellent soccer and baseball player who could bench press 102 kilograms, even though he weighed only 70 kilograms. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation B'nai Ahavath Shalom in Union, New Jersey. On December 5, 2001, his mother, father and sister posted this note on an internet memorial site: "We can never say ‘Good-bye.' You will always be with us. We love you and will always love you."

Ian Schneider, 45, was a senior managing director for Cantor Fitzgerald. His lifelong friend Howie Kessler said, "This guy loved life. No one danced harder at a party or shouted louder at a ball game." His wife Cheryl said that when he arrived home, his three children Rachel, 11, Jake, 9, and Sophie, 7, fought for the right to jump first into his arms. Almost 2000 people attended Mr. Schneider's memorial service at Temple Sharey Teflio-Israel in South Orange, New Jersey. Many were families of the children he coached on soccer, softball, and baseball teams, a chore he undertook so he could spend more time with his children.

John Burkhart Schwartz, 40, was a bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanu-El in New York City.

Jason Sekzer, 31, was a vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. His father, Will Sekzer, who is active in a fraternal society of Jewish New York policemen, described his son as "handsome, smart, humble, and polite." Mr. Sekzer had married Nastasha Makshanov eight months before he died. On September 10, the photographer called to say that their album of wedding photographs was ready. A memorial service was held for him at East Midwood Jewish Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Hagay Shefi, 34, was the co-founder and chief executive of GoldTier Technologies, a software company. Mr. Shefi had lived in the United States for eight years, after emigrating from Israel, and was close to becoming a U.S. citizen. He was in the Windows on the World restaurant atop the World Trade Center to make a business presentation when it was struck. On September 16, 2001, his body was found intact in the rubble. He was survived by his wife Sigal, also from Israel, a five-year old son and a three-year old daughter.

Mark Shulman, 47, was a disaster inspector, fire prevention and risk consultant for Marsh & McLennan. He was survived by his wife, Lori, and daughters Melissa, 17, and Jamie, 12. "His family always came first," his mother Evelyn said. "He did everything for his family. I lost a treasure." A memorial service was held for Mr. Shulman at Temple Shaari Emeth in Manalapan, New Jersey.

Allan Abraham Shwartzstein, 37, was a managing director and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. "He was about the most considerate person I knew," longtime friend Mark Madoff said. One thousand people attended the memorial service for him at Temple Beth El in Chappaqua, New York. He was survived by his wife, Amy, a five-year old daughter, Jessica, and a four-year old son, Matthew.

Arthur Simon, 57, was a vice president and equities trader at Fred Alger Management company. He and his son, Kenneth Alan Simon, both died in the World Trade Center. The elder Mr. Simon worked on the 93rd floor; the younger on the 104th. One of Mr. Simon's greatest loves was dancing. He was survived by his wife, Susan, a son, Todd, and two daughters, Mandy and Jennifer. A memorial service was held for him and his son at Temple Beth El in Spring Valley, New Jersey.

Kenneth Alan Simon, 34, was an equities trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. He and his wife, Karen, had adopted a daughter, Maya, who was 10 months old when he died. "You should have seen his face when he looked into her big brown eyes for the first time," his wife said. "He just melted." The Simons had plans to adopt more children. Mr. Simon called his wife after the plane hit to say that he was going to look for his father, Arthur Simon, who worked 11 stories below him. A memorial service was held for both father and son at Temple Beth El in Spring Valley, New Jersey.

William E. Spitz, 49, was a government bonds broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He had a degree in elementary education. A memorial service was held for him at Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New Jersey.

Eric A. Stahlman, 43, was a broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. He joined the company about 10 weeks before September 11. He was survived by his wife, Blanca, who is from Ecuador, a seven-year old daughter, Allison, and a four-year old son, Jacob. Long friendships and close family ties were the things he cherished most, family members said. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth El in Papchoque, New York.

Alexander Robbins Steinman, 32, was a vice president in equities sales for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Steinman had attended the wedding in Italy of lifelong friend Richard Diamond on the weekend before September 11. He then rushed home to get back to work, which he loved. "Alex had an incredible sense of humor and he got as much out of life as anybody possibly could," Mr. Diamond said. He said Mr. Steinman had been "the life of the party" at his wedding in Italy. A memorial service was held for Mr. Steinman at Temple Israel in Staten Island, New York.

Kenneth W. Van Auken, 47, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Lorie, and two children, Matthew and Sarah. His wife says Mr. Van Auken was her "rock," the loving spirit in her life, and someone who was always willing to interrupt what he was doing to have some fun with his children. He was also a skilled carpenter, building a deck, bookcases, and other projects around his home. A memorial service was held for him at Temple B'nai Shalom in East Brunswick, New Jersey.

Steven Jay Weinberg, 41, was an accounting manager for Baseline Financial Services. He was survived by his wife Laurie and three children, Lindsay, 12, Samuel, 8, and Jason, 6. He went to all his children's sports events and volunteered at the Parents-Teachers Association. A memorial service for Mr. Weinberg was held at the Nanuet Hebrew Center.

Simon Weiser, 65, was a power-distribution engineer for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A Jew born in Kiev, Ukraine in 1936, he arrived in New York in 1978. He was survived by his wife, a son, and three ganndchildren. He was planning to retire in 2002.

David Thomas Weiss, 50, was vice president and deputy general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Marcia and daughter Gina. He was described as a "very private man with a kind, sweet and generous heart and ... above all else ... limitless devotion to this family." A memorial service was held for him at the Brotherhood Synagogue in New York City.

Michael Wittenstein, 34, was a bond broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was scheduled to marry his fiancée, Carrie Bernstein, on October 20, 2001. His uncle, Mark Hershkowitz, said he had thought many times after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 about buying Michael a parachute, and wishes he had. "Michael was one of those people who always had a smile, always seemed happy at whatever he was doing," relative Warren Treuhaft wrote. As in the Jewish tradition, Mr. Wittenstein was buried with some of his possessions.

Marc Scott Zeplin, 33, was an equities trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife, Debra, and two sons, Ryan, 3, and Ethan, 10 months old. Mr. Zeplin once dreamed of becoming a professional sportscaster, having broadcast hockey games at the University of Michigan. His friends formed the Marc S. Zeplin Foundation, which helps children who lost a parent or loved one on September 11. A memorial service for Mr. Zeplin was held at the Jewish Community Center in Harrisson, New York.

Charles A. Zion, 54, was a senior vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Zion was survived by his wife, Carole, and his 16-year old son, Zachary. "He was a great guy and a great husband," his wife said. A memorial service for Mr. Zion, who was the son of a rabbi, was held at the Greenwich Reformed Synagogue in Greenwich, Connecticut.

Andrew Steven Zucker, 27, was a lawyer with Harris Beach LLP, which had offices in the World Trade Center's south tower, which was the second one hit. Mr. Zucker, a former volunteer fireman, stayed around the 78th floor, where the second plane hit, to help others evacuate. He was survived by his wife Erica, who was pregnant with their first child when he died. Mr. Zucker was a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi.

Igor Zukelman, 29, worked with computers at Fiduciary Trust Company, on the 97th floor of the north tower, which was hit first. Mr. Zukelman was an immigrant from the Ukraine, arriving in the United States in 1992, and was survived by his three-year old son. According to the World Congress of Russian Jewry, Mr. Zukleman was one of 16 Russian-speaking Jews killed in the September 11 attacks.

Y'a des éléments là aussi :
 
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
 
Subject: Re: Jewish Victims of September 11
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 16 Apr 2004 15:50 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars    
 
I certainly agree with you that this rumor is ridiculous and
offensive. I have gathered some material which refutes the allegation.
 
It is estimated that between 400 and 500 Jews died in the attacks on
the World Trade Center on 9/11. The exact number is not known, since
official record-keeping does not list the religions of the victims.
 
"While no one knows for certain how many Jews were killed on Sept. 11,
the most reliable estimates put the number at about 400. This despite
the blasphemy spread in the Arab world that no Jews perished, having
been warned by the Mossad agents who supposedly carried out the
attacks."
 
The Jewish Week
http://www.thejewishweek.com/botto [...] ?artid=362  
 
"A senior Jewish journalist friend called me before the first
anniversary of 9/11 and said to me: 'You have to do something about
the Arab concept that the Jews are responsible for 9/11. Can you find
out how many Jews were killed there?'
 
A week later I called him and said 'about 500,' which is 15 to 17
percent of all the victims killed in the World Trade Center. The
figure would have been even higher had it not been for the fact that
many Orthodox Jews went to work an hour later because of the Selichot
prayers recited in the days before the Jewish New Year."
 
Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs
http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-13.htm
 
Here are two excellent articles which debunk the widely-spread story
alleging that thousands of Jews stayed home on September 11th because
they had been warned in advance of the attack:
 
Snopes: Rumors
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.htm
 
Slate: 4,000 Jews, 1 Lie
http://slate.msn.com/id/116813
 
It is possible that some who wish to believe that 9/11 was an Israeli
conspiracy will not accept all of the reference sources listed above.
If that is the case, the plainest evidence that many Jews died in the
World Trade Center is the list of the names of the dead:
 
"How many Jews actually died in the world Trade Center attacks is not
known with any precision. The official New York City 'Missing Persons
List' does not categorize victims by their religion or nationality.
But ask families with names like Adler, Aron, Berger, Bernstein,
Cohen, Eichler, Eisenberg, Feinberg, Friedlander, Goldstein,
Greenstein, Horwitz, Jablonski, Kestenbaum, Kirchbaum, Kleinberg,
Levi, Levine, Mayer, Rosenberg, Rosenblum, Rosenthal, Sachs,
Safronoff, Schwartz, Shulman, Shwartzstein, Silverstein, Solomon,
Steinman, Temple, Weil, Weinberg, Weingard, Weinstein, Weiss, Zukelman
what they wouldn't give to see their loved ones again. Why didn't they
get a conspiratorial cell-phone message warning them to stay home? By
all appearances, the 9-11 hijackers were equal-opportunity murderers."
 
WorldNetDaily
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ [...] E_ID=35516
 
Here you will find the full list of names:
 
9-11 Heroes
http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-w [...] center.php
 
My strategy in locating this information consisted of many Google
searches, using various combinations of keyphrases such as "jews
killed," "jews died," "jewish victims," "on 9/11," "september 11,"
"world trade center," "wtc," and "twin towers."
 
I hope this will be useful to you. If anything is unclear, please
request clarification; I will be glad to offer further assistance
before you rate my answer.
 

Je te remercie pour cette réponse.

"World Changing Box. Experiment in super slow motion"

Il a quoi comme joli chapeau le gus au premier rang ?  

On est censé voir quoi ?

un chapeau de pub double face
devant c est "we need wtc blueprints" toussa
et derriere j ai pas trop compris
je crois qu il milite pour les presidentielles dans l ohio

edit:
on voit le chapeau de face vers la fin de la video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RONK2CRlL94

ca vient de http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
et un billet marrant sur dr griffin que je conseille
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.c [...] uther.html

c est une video d une conference de richard gage a cincinatti ou il nous refait le coup des boites en carton

La preuve absolue que les tours ne devaient pas s'effondrer.  

ponctué du meme OMG que dans hardfire en guise de cqfd  
ce mec est priceless

Je veux comprendre  
Ca repose sur quoi son raisonnement alakon ?

a+

 
si les tours avaient pas été dynamitées elles se seraient pas effondrées  
elles sont tombées a la vitesse de la chute libre, comme s il ny avait pas du tout de tour en dessous
enfin bref il part de la conclusion comme d hab t avais pas compris ?

 
Simple et logique:
Une boite en carton, plus ou moins aux proportions d'une des Twin Towers d'un bon mètre trente de haut dont on découpe le sommet sur une vingtaine de centimètre.
Si on lève ce sommet découpé de quelques centimètres au dessus du reste de la boite et qu'on le laisse tomber, il... tombe dessus et ca reste debout comme ca. A coté, dans le vide donc, il tombe jusqu'au sol.
 
Voila voila.

Sur le fait que la partie supérieure de la tour n'aurait pas du selon lui, écraser le reste.
l'andouille a juste oublié qu'un morceau de tour de X mètres de côté et d'une hauteur de 15 ou 30 étages n'a rien à voir avec une boiboite qui tient dans la main.
 
Grillé  

Ah oui, c'est... c'est très fort.
 
  x3

moi il m'a con-vaincu ça y est...  
donc y a ça, et pis y a aussi le passeport!

OMFG
 
C'est priceless  
 
Ou est ce qu'on peut assister a des conférences de ce genre, c'est énorme ?

 
Quant on pense qu'il s'agit là d'un des leaders de ce formidable mouvement pour la vérité

 
Entre ce pitre et Pouicman Jones, ils sont bien équipés en gourous, les trouffeurs
Cela dit, j'aimerais bien voir la tronche des clients et des réalisations d'un archi qui "raisonne" de cette manière…

 
Comme quoi, si les tours avaient été construites en carton, elles ne se seraient pas effondrées ! c'est un complot du lobby de l'acier et du béton de faire croire que leur matériau est plus solide que le carton, alors qu'avec 2 boîtes à chaussure on démontre facilement le contraire !

 
Il est sensé être en activité ou il a été viré de partout, et il a trouvé l'opportunité d'exister avec ses théories ?  

En ces temps de crise du logement aux Etats-Unis, il aurait, dit-on, beaucoup de travail

Et pi c'est 'achement moins cher des tours en carton. Il a sans doute des plans à vendre, le Gag(e).

Le sujet mérite d'être creusé  

C'est un truc de SDF nantis, ça.  

 
marche pour tous les complots  

Richard Gage effectue une série de conférences-débats en Europe ce mois-ci. Il sera à Paris le 13 novembre.
 
Richard Gage est le président fondateur de l'Association des Architectes et Ingénieurs pour la vérité sur le 11-Septembre. Il s'efforce de sensibiliser le public aux mensonges entourant la version de l'administration US (selon laquelle les 3 tours se seraient effondrées à cause du feu) par une analyse technique des effondrements.
 
La volonté de sensibiliser le public européen s'explique simplement, par la similitude des politiques médiatiques imposées aux USA et en Europe Occidentale, ou le sujet du 11 septembre est soigneusement évité, à défaut d'être étouffé des qu'une personnalité connue émet des doutes publiquement.
 
http://www.ae911truth.org/speakings.php
http://www.reopen911.info/richard-gage-paris.html
 
 
NB: Avis aux chiens de garde du topic : faites quelque chose ! Il faut démonter Mr Gage autrement des gens risquent d'aller a sa conférence et retrouver l'esprit critique. Le plus dur c'est d'expliquer pourquoi depuis 7 ans les "théoriciens du complot" s'accrochent toujours et font tant d'efforts pour que dalle, rien que pour le plaisir d'intoxiquer ! Mais je suis sur que vous allez trouver quelque chose, je vous fais confiance.
Bref, moi j'ai donné l'info. A vous !!

Richard Gage, c'est le mec de la vidéo avec les boîtes en carton, c'est diablement convaincant (si on oublie le fait que des tours de 400 mètres de béton et d'acier ne sont pas des boîtes en carton d'un mètre cinquante ).
 
Ca, c'est clair, il va faire retrouver de l'esprit critique à ses auditeurs. Ptêt pas dans le sens où tu l'entends.
 
Sinon en fait ton super argument c'est de dire "comme y'a des gens qui s'y accrochent depuis des années, c'est que c'est vrai". Ah ok. Alors que ceux qui pensent que y'a pas de complot, ça fait juste deux mois donc ils ont moins raison. T'as l'air d'être une sacré flèche toi, mâtin.

 
 
Pour faire un contresens pareil à partir de l'article du Post, ça devait être des français

Je découvre    C'est énorme, ce type est vraiment architecte ?    En gros, son truc, c'est "le boeing fait un gros trou, quelques étages disparaissent, les 20 étages du dessus tombent sur ceux du dessous et voilà, donc l'effondrement est provoqué par de la dynamite" ?  

 
En gros, oui. Et te voilà promu chien de garde. Tu es content, hein?  

Déja rien que la phrase de présentation c'est du gros mensonge. Les WTC 1 et 2 se sont effondrés a cause des crashs ET des feux, le WTC7  de cette façon là, à cause des débris ET du feu. Commencer par présenter les faits de manière aussi biaisée, ca en dit long sur l'état d'esprit des Chevaliers de la Veritay.

Les quelques fois où des trouffeurs sont passés dans des émissions  en prime ou juste après, ils se sont très bien ridiculisés seuls.
Forcément ca donne pas envie d'en inviter.

Si tu avais lu un tout petit peu le topic avant de faire ta pub tu aurais vu quelques posts ci dessus des videos du gus en question qui fait des démonstrations à partir de boites en carton... Quand on pense que c'est le genre à gueuler sur les rapport du NIST et à se vanter d'avoir 500 signatures de professionnels pour sa pétition sur les 83 000 que compte l'AIA américaine. Grand copain de Jones et de sa thermite d'ailleurs.

M'enfin suffit de voir la gueule de ses preuves : http://www.ae911truth.org/images/g [...] dfront.jpg
et de son analyse technique : http://forums.randi.org/imagehosti [...] 1c4c81.jpg
 

 
tiens le retour des nuages pyroclastiques
 
juste pour rappeler l intégrité de mr gage. a l ouverture du site tous ceux qui s inscrivaient a la newsletter etaient ajoutés automatiquement en tant qu architectes et/ou ingénieurs. a l epoque la moitié de la liste a été purgée. aujourd hui c est encore sur la bonne foi des gens qu on les ajoute et cette "liste" comprend un bon paquet d etudiants
 
enfin bon je trouve ca un peu pretentieux de croire qu il va vendre assez de t-shirts pour rembourser son billet d avion, mais faut croire que depuis le temps son affaire est rentable

Le monde devient n'importe quoi...on a des militaires Français qui se font surement tuer et personne ne sait exactement pour quelle raison, ce qui fait qu'on les pleure pas vu qu'on ne sait pas vraiment ce qu'ils branlent dans tout ces pays qui se finissent en "istan" pour la plupart...
Nos soldats ne rentrent en aucun cas en héros...lorsqu'ils rentrent. Rien n'est clair    
Peut-etre parce qu'il y a "trop" d'informations    
 
En tout les cas je n'aimerais pas faire une "mission" en Afghanistan ou ailleurs en ce moment.... C'est vraiment devenu con l'armée, de nos jours   Finalement ils ne font rien de bien définis. Genre comme avant supprimer des régimes jugées dangereux pour le reste du monde.
 
Là a part tuer des innocents (c'est souvent ce que l'on entend dans les grands médias, qui a dit TF1 ?), et bien on ne comprend pas vraiment ce qu'ils foutent. Et dire que tout ça est parti du 11 septembre, alors j'espere bien que ces attentats correspondent bien a la version officielle dans la réalité, imaginer un peu sinon tout ce qui aurait été fait dans le monde comme guerre de façon non justifié... je ne prefere même pas l'imaginer.
 
La guerre en Afghanistan, en Irak...tout ça c'est le 11 septembre. Alors non je n'ose pas penser que l'on nous ait menti, je ne vois quand meme pas les dirigeants etats-uniens etre assez cinyque pour tuer les leur afin de pouvoir justifier le présent "remodelage" du monde...avouer que ce serait sacrément cinyque, l'Amérique ce n'est pas cela. Ce n'est pas cela !
 
Avouer que ça ne tient pas la route, vis a vis de la mentalitée Américaine qui est quand même positive dans l'ensemble   Ce n'est pas parce qu'ils sont très puissants qu'il faut en avoir peur et penser qu'ils sont contre le reste du monde, ça ne marche pas comme ça fort heureusement
 
Et aller, avouer surtout pour certains d'entre vous...que vous etes surtout jaloux de cette grande puissance  
 
Edit: je rajouterais que des médias comme TF1 sont quand même un peu responsable de la haine injustifié que certains ressentent envers les USA, certes ils ne sont pas tout rose mais la France ne l'est pas non plus

cynique

En tout cas la guerre n'est pas justifiable, ni pour les Zétazuni ni pour aucun  autre pays, sauf en cas de légitime défense ou de cas de force majeure.

Oui, l'intervention en Afghanistan suite au 9/11, c'est de la légitime défense au regard des résolutions de l'ONU.

Merde

Ca aurait été gratuit j'y serais peut etre allé, pour rigoler un coup  

 
Légitime défense contre quoi ? Parce qu'ils font pousser le pavot à opium, (matière brute de l'héroine) dont l'Afghanistan en est le principal producteur à 95% de cette camelote à travers le monde et que les Zéta cherche à controler le marché international ?    
 
Ou est-ce vraiment à cause d'un seul homme (Bin Laden) qu'on estime qu'il demeure en dans ce pays.
Je ne crois pas que Bin Laden serait assez stupide pour demeurer dans un pays qui fait l'objet d'un guerre, il serait assez lucide pour monter un attentant et pas assez pour comprendre qu'il n'a pas intéret à demeurer en Afghanistan ?

Ca tourne au révisionnisme là ...
 
Les faits sont simples : l'ONU a démandé au régime taliban de livrer Ben Laden qui était protégé en Afghanistan. Refus de leur part. La guerre a alors commencé, une guerre de légitime défense comme précisé par l'ONU.

 
Refus de leur part pour la bonne raison que les talibans réclamaient des preuves : et l'organisation Bush leur a simplement répondu en substance : "nous savons que c'est lui, c'est suffisant comme preuve."