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   trop bon.

Il y a beaucoup de cassage dans l’air (avec LooSHA et gastongaston)... qui va ramasser les morceaux ?

Ah non, mais comme on est sur un forum et que tu ouvres ta gueule en public je m'octroie le droit extraordinaire de te faire exploser à la gueule ton détecteur de monduloïde, dingue non ?
 
Pourquoi tu parles d'UDF ? Je t'ai parlé de ton amour des radiateurs ? Il me semble pas.

Alors là tu l'as cassé.

 
à blok    
 
Le plus gavant, c'est vraiment les reportages lénifiants sur les jeunesses crétines, qui découvrent l'amour en groupe, les rabatteurs de pigalles et les premières cuites tout en vendant des tee shirt à 25 € fabriqués par des petits chinois sidéens à deux euros.  
 
Ces pools de premiers de la classe, venant tous ou presque de familles dorées devillieresques, qui voyagent aux frais de la princesse, qui ont une conscience politique proche d'un Drucker castré à la retraite, ces pantins souriants aux dents blanches, ces grands dadets épileptiques qui se battent dans la fosse, pour récupérer un objet jeté en pature par leur rock star, ces pantomimes décérébrés bouffis par les invocations glaireuses et dégoulinantes du vieux schnock en habit blanc, ces graines de champions du prèche "universel", ben ça me dégoute, surtout quand l'évènement bousille 8 minutes de mon attention télévisuelle, jetée là par hasard...  
 
Quand je dis que j'en*ule dieu, je ne blasphème pas, car je suis pas inscrit au club, c'est une vérité, la mienne, j'en*ule un mythe, j'en*ule une maladie humaine, la votre.    
 
 

Je te sens remplit d'amour et de tolérance

 
Faudrait aussi parfois penser à tolérer ceux à qui, quand on leur cause petite fumée blanche ou petite fumée noire, s'en barbouillent le pourtour anal, et qui sont très largement majoritaire dans ce pays.    
 
Je veux bien que ma redevance télé serve à faire contre poids face à la "menace" islamiste, en en fesant des tonnes sur le polonais increvable et l'ex nazi, mais ma patience a des limites.
 
Peux tu me rappeler de quand date la séparation de l'Eglise et de l'Etat ?  

tu t'emballes là...

chuuuut laissez le

decembre 1905 ?

 
Absolument pas, je suis très calme, je constate seulement que nos médias ont récemment sombré dans le tout divin, et que effectivement, pour un amateur de cigare, à force de trop tirer sur la corde, on tombe irrémédiablement sur le purin.

 
Jolie célébration du centenaire hein ?    
 
Aristide se retournerait dans sa tombe...

 
Traiter leur chef spirituel de nazi, ça leur arrive tous les jours et c'est bien normal.  
Non, non, faut pas être particulièrement con pour embrayer  

L'image est jolie... (si c'en est une )

 
 
 
 
Et ils en laissent aussi sécher un peu dans la moustache, pour le goûter de 4 heures du soir ?
 

mais la tolerance est une forme de passivité. Personne ne te force a inhaler cette fumée, bouffer des osties ou sucer un pretre.
tu es exédé, non parcequ'on ne tolere pas ton atheisme, mais parceque tu ne tolere pas le clericanisme.
 

en somme nous aurrons droit a un de tes trait d'humeur a chaque lubie mediatique ? guerre du golf, election americaine, referundum sur le oui, le non, insecurité etc...
 

la date a été evoquée, et je rappel a titre de memoire qu'il ne s'agissait pas d'une eradication du culte catholique; donnée nouvelle qui devrait appaiser ta ire.

Comme ils sont purs nos petits forumeurs chrétiens, qui ne se scandalisent pas de ce pape complice de pédophiles, et donc criminel contre l'enfance, qui aurait tout fait pour protéger Dutroux s'il avait été un prêtre:
 
Le nouveau pape et la pédophilie...de pire en pire (tiré d'un des plus gros sites démocrates US). Il est pour le secret total dans les affaires de pédophilie (comme le prouve une letre qu'il a envoyée aux évêques en 2001 qui préconise le respect de la loi "Crimine solicitationies" édictée par Jean XXXIII il y a 40 ans, qui affirme entre autres que les prêtres doivent extorquer un serment de secret aux victimes):
 
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/19/184327/493
 
 Ratzinger and Pedophilia in the Church
 
by Irony
 
Tue Apr 19th, 2005 at 15:43:27 PDT
 
Although discussion has raged since this afternoon regarding Benedict XVI and his past Nazi affiliations, I find his present to be slightly more worrisome. As Tim Boucher points out in this blog entry:
 
Ratzinger is also the author of a May 2001 letter to bishops stating that the "Crimine solicitationies" law (regarding strict secrecy in sex abuse cases) is still in effect.
 
The law to which Ratzinger's letter referred was issued by Pope John XXIII 40 years ago (a link to the PDF of the document can be found in Boucher's entry). The law itself is chilling, as it describes a mandatory condition of secrecy for both the perpetrators and victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests.  
 
The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.
 
    They also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to `be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries.'
 
    [...] Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases `in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication'.
 
 
Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.
 
We can believe what we wish about Benedict XVI's youthful nationalism or lack thereof. What we do know from his letter is that as recently as 2001, he supported and encouraged the drawing of a curtain of secrecy over widespread sexual abuse by clergy. A friend forwarded this link to me today.
The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican office to safeguard the faith and the morals of the church, quietly made the lawsuit go away and shelved it. There was no investigation and the accusers weren't asked a single question or asked for a statement. He was appointed by the pope to investigate the entire sex abuse scandal in the church in recent days. But when approached by ABCNEWS in Rome last week with questions of allegations against Maciel, Ratzinger became visibly upset and actually slapped this reporter's hand. "Come to me when the moment is given," Ratzinger told ABCNEWS, "not yet." "Cardinal Ratzinger is sheltering Maciel, protecting him," said Berry, who expressed concerns that no response was being given to the allegations against the man charged with sex abuse. "These men knelt and kissed the ring of Cardinal Ratzinger when they filed the case in Rome. And a year-and-a-half later, he takes those accusations and aborts them, just stuffs them."  
 
_____________________________________
 
Le nouveau pape a protégé un pédophile...ça étonnera qui?
 
April 20, 2005 4:05 AM
 
New pope shelved sex abuse claim, accuser says
 
By Alistair Bell
 
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A former trainee priest who has accused the founder of an influential Catholic order of sexual abuse said on Tuesday that new Pope Benedict XVI deliberately shelved a probe into his claims for six years.
 
Jose Barba is one of eight ex-members of the Rome-based Legion of Christ, most of them Mexicans, who accuse the order's founder, Marcial Maciel, of sexually abusing them from the 1940s through the 1960s.
 
The allegations are too old to be investigated under criminal law but nine former members brought a suit against Maciel, 84, under the Vatican's canonical law in 1998. One has since died.
 
The case was filed at the Church's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who was elected Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday.
 
Barba, spokesman for the accusers, says the claims were hushed up because Maciel and his ultra-conservative order were close to Pope John Paul II.
 
"The question is: Was Cardinal Ratzinger totally and solely responsible? I think that to a great extent he was because it was his department," said Barba, now 68 and a professor of Latin American studies at Mexico City's ITAM university.
 
Maciel stepped down as leader of the Legion of Christ, citing his age, a month after the Vatican finally announced last December it would take up the abuse allegations.
 
"EMBARRASSING"
 
Barba alleged that the Church's willingness to probe the issue could have been an attempt by Ratzinger to clean up the matter to improve his chances of becoming pope.
 
"It would have been very embarrassing for the cardinal to turn up at the conclave with the reputation of someone who had covered up a scandal," the Mexican said.
 
Maciel, who lives in Rome, has denied the abuse charges.
 
"The Legion of Christ struggles to express how deeply we regret that the accusers attempt to tar the Vatican, Cardinal Ratzinger, and even Pope John Paul II with the stain of these false allegations," it said in a statement that has been on its Web site for three years.
 
Founded in 1941, the order has around 500 priests and 2,500 seminarians in some 20 countries including Spain and the United States.
 
A Mexican bishop handed Ratzinger a letter in 2000 outlining allegations of abuse by Maciel against a Spanish priest, said Barba, who accuses the Legion founder of molesting him in Rome in the 1950s.
 
Barba said that when he handed another letter to a Vatican official in 2002 detailing alleged abuses, he was told that the missive would be forwarded to Ratzinger.
 
Maciel was warmly praised by John Paul on the 60th anniversary of his ordination last November but the probe against him was announced just days later.
 
Reuters

aucun rapport avec le sujet de ce topic

 
Mais bien sûr! Les fans d'un pape pédophilesque s'en prennent à des comiques! Mais ils se prennent pour qui ces hypocrites?
Tout ce qu'on peut reprocher à Gaccio c'est de l'avoir appelé Adolf II et pas Dutroux II.

Voilà .

 
C'est bien ce qu'on dit : il est à côté de la plaque

 
J'espère que dans ce topic quelqu'un a cité Thierry Le Luron (par exemple sa fameuse "Rose de l'emmerdant" qui était passé sur une émission de grande écoute il me semble).

Et qu'est ce que tu penses des millions de français pour qui TF1 est la seule référence politique ...voir même la seule source d'information ? Le journal de TF1 n'est pas présenté par les poupée en latex, et pourtant, la vérité y est tout autant biaisée.
 
Alors, c'est quoi le plus grave ?
Une émission humoristique, clairement parodique, qui fait de temps en temps des vannes "borderline" ?  
Ou un journal télévisé qui diffuse sa propagande avec une efficacité qui rendrait jaloux ce cher J. Goebbels ?
 

Ben, à part le fait  

• qu'il n'aime pas les homos (tiens, c'est comme Adolf ... j'arrête là la comparaison)
• qu'il aime bien les pédophiles
• qu'il va continuer à militer contre le préservatif en Afrique (tournée d'ostie pour les sidéens noirs ... youpi)
• qu'il est bien chaud pour re

christianiser l'Europe
 
Bref à part que c'est un vieux réac avec une idéologie à gerber, RàS.

si un jour tu deviens pape, j'ai deja un nom pour toi  

un topic de kalitay, encore une fois.

Trouduc Zero , il aurait du s'appeler karl?

 
Tiens, un hypocrite!
 
Comme ils sont purs nos petits forumeurs chrétiens, qui ne se scandalisent pas de ce pape complice de pédophiles, et donc criminel contre l'enfance, qui aurait tout fait pour protéger Dutroux s'il avait été un prêtre:
 
Le nouveau pape et la pédophilie...de pire en pire (tiré d'un des plus gros sites démocrates US). Il est pour le secret total dans les affaires de pédophilie (comme le prouve une letre qu'il a envoyée aux évêques en 2001 qui préconise le respect de la loi "Crimine solicitationies" édictée par Jean XXXIII il y a 40 ans, qui affirme entre autres que les prêtres doivent extorquer un serment de secret aux victimes):
 
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/19/184327/493
 
 Ratzinger and Pedophilia in the Church
 
by Irony
 
Tue Apr 19th, 2005 at 15:43:27 PDT
 
Although discussion has raged since this afternoon regarding Benedict XVI and his past Nazi affiliations, I find his present to be slightly more worrisome. As Tim Boucher points out in this blog entry:
 
Ratzinger is also the author of a May 2001 letter to bishops stating that the "Crimine solicitationies" law (regarding strict secrecy in sex abuse cases) is still in effect.
 
The law to which Ratzinger's letter referred was issued by Pope John XXIII 40 years ago (a link to the PDF of the document can be found in Boucher's entry). The law itself is chilling, as it describes a mandatory condition of secrecy for both the perpetrators and victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests.  
 
The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.
 
    They also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to `be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries.'
 
    [...] Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases `in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication'.
 
 
Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.
 
We can believe what we wish about Benedict XVI's youthful nationalism or lack thereof. What we do know from his letter is that as recently as 2001, he supported and encouraged the drawing of a curtain of secrecy over widespread sexual abuse by clergy. A friend forwarded this link to me today.
The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican office to safeguard the faith and the morals of the church, quietly made the lawsuit go away and shelved it. There was no investigation and the accusers weren't asked a single question or asked for a statement. He was appointed by the pope to investigate the entire sex abuse scandal in the church in recent days. But when approached by ABCNEWS in Rome last week with questions of allegations against Maciel, Ratzinger became visibly upset and actually slapped this reporter's hand. "Come to me when the moment is given," Ratzinger told ABCNEWS, "not yet." "Cardinal Ratzinger is sheltering Maciel, protecting him," said Berry, who expressed concerns that no response was being given to the allegations against the man charged with sex abuse. "These men knelt and kissed the ring of Cardinal Ratzinger when they filed the case in Rome. And a year-and-a-half later, he takes those accusations and aborts them, just stuffs them."  
 
_____________________________________
 
Le nouveau pape a protégé un pédophile...ça étonnera qui?
 
April 20, 2005 4:05 AM
 
New pope shelved sex abuse claim, accuser says
 
By Alistair Bell
 
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A former trainee priest who has accused the founder of an influential Catholic order of sexual abuse said on Tuesday that new Pope Benedict XVI deliberately shelved a probe into his claims for six years.
 
Jose Barba is one of eight ex-members of the Rome-based Legion of Christ, most of them Mexicans, who accuse the order's founder, Marcial Maciel, of sexually abusing them from the 1940s through the 1960s.
 
The allegations are too old to be investigated under criminal law but nine former members brought a suit against Maciel, 84, under the Vatican's canonical law in 1998. One has since died.
 
The case was filed at the Church's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who was elected Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday.
 
Barba, spokesman for the accusers, says the claims were hushed up because Maciel and his ultra-conservative order were close to Pope John Paul II.
 
"The question is: Was Cardinal Ratzinger totally and solely responsible? I think that to a great extent he was because it was his department," said Barba, now 68 and a professor of Latin American studies at Mexico City's ITAM university.
 
Maciel stepped down as leader of the Legion of Christ, citing his age, a month after the Vatican finally announced last December it would take up the abuse allegations.
 
"EMBARRASSING"
 
Barba alleged that the Church's willingness to probe the issue could have been an attempt by Ratzinger to clean up the matter to improve his chances of becoming pope.
 
"It would have been very embarrassing for the cardinal to turn up at the conclave with the reputation of someone who had covered up a scandal," the Mexican said.
 
Maciel, who lives in Rome, has denied the abuse charges.
 
"The Legion of Christ struggles to express how deeply we regret that the accusers attempt to tar the Vatican, Cardinal Ratzinger, and even Pope John Paul II with the stain of these false allegations," it said in a statement that has been on its Web site for three years.
 
Founded in 1941, the order has around 500 priests and 2,500 seminarians in some 20 countries including Spain and the United States.
 
A Mexican bishop handed Ratzinger a letter in 2000 outlining allegations of abuse by Maciel against a Spanish priest, said Barba, who accuses the Legion founder of molesting him in Rome in the 1950s.
 
Barba said that when he handed another letter to a Vatican official in 2002 detailing alleged abuses, he was told that the missive would be forwarded to Ratzinger.
 
Maciel was warmly praised by John Paul on the 60th anniversary of his ordination last November but the probe against him was announced just days later.
 
Reuters

 
Drucker disait qu'à l'époque, il avait vraiment eu la trouille. Donc bon...    

Pierre Fulla, les Lewis fullerènes c'est autres choses
A la base, le potentiel comique de P. Fulla est quand même bien supérieur à celui de S. Bern. Y en a un que t'as envie de tarter alors que tu attends la tirade ridicule de l'autre (ah le service public   )
 

Absolument, c'est pas du tout pareil! ( ) Il a été transformé par la fonction peut-être? On en sait rien, peut-être peut-être pas.
Par exemple J. Chirac qui tenait rarement ses promesses, ben depuis qu'il est président de la République, eh bien ... euh bon enfin tu vois    
 
 

Nuclear wins! (always   ) USA vs (Hiroshima + Nagazaki) donc.
 

les allemands qui ont déserté avant sont morts d'une mort non-naturelle, pour la plupart ...
 

et entre le bon athée et le mauvais athée, on choisit comment? C'est toi qui décide, c'est subjectif?

je rapelles pour memeoire que la pedophilie a ete citée comme grande valeur par votre ami le revolutionnaire daniel cohn bendit actuellement personalité eminente des verts, et qu'on ne lui ressort pas ses erreurs de jeunesse ou il se vantait de faire des caresses sexuelles a des petits garcons et des petites filles mais bon c'etait de bon ton a l'epoque (annee 70)!  
alors le pape s'il a protege des pedophiles c'etait peut etre dans le cadre du secret de la confession, comme actuellement un pretre ne peutpas denoncer un criminel s'il l'a entendu en confession!

1) c'est pas parce que cohn bendit le fait qu'automatiquement tout le monde peut/doit le faire
2) juridiquemnet parlant, c'est une obligation pour le pretre de dénoncer une personne coupable de crime.(edit: en france en tout cas, et je ne trouve pas ca anormal, bien au contraire)

 
Nous en tenons un! Le premier forumeur de ce topic à soutenir les prêtres pédophiles et les prêtres qui protègent les prêtres pédophiles! Oui à la confession, non à l'arrestation! Que les prêtres continuent à violer des enfants comme depuis des siècles et des siècles!
En plus d'être un malade mental, tu es un analphabète! Comme je l'ai écrit plus haut, Dutroux II ordonne aux prêtres pédophiles d'arracher à leurs victimes le serment de ne rien dire à personne!

 
tu devrais te calmer    
bravo pour ton troll bien baveux et bien poilu
 mais tu pourris le débat. donc    

 
Tiens! Encore un catholique hypocrite qui ne condamne pas ce pape pédophilesque! J'estime que les catholiques dans ton genre sont des complices passifs des prêtres pédophiles et de ce pape qui les protège, et qui a donné l'ordre aux prêtres de faire taire les victimes des prêtres pédophiles.

 
Tu te repetes ou c'est une impression

 
tu te ridiculises, non?
c'est hype, la diffamation, on dirait.
 
Au fait, tu es payé à chaque "pédophil~" que tu écris?

j'aime ton ouverture et ta propension au dialogue. tu dois etre tres interessant dans la vrai vie.