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n°7751151
Mustang
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:23:49  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :
ptain mais pourquoi il existe pas de vehicules 1L 100ch si on peu tirer 100ch par litres sur les mauteurs maudernes :/

mood
Publicité
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:23:49  profilanswer
 

n°7751156
julien 54
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:24:38  profilanswer
 

mucus a écrit :

tain le relou [:kiki]
pas capable d'attendre 15 min


 
Bah non j'dois aller faire mon DM  :o

n°7751158
morb
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:24:41  profilanswer
 

Mustang a écrit :

ptain mais pourquoi il existe pas de vehicules 1L 100ch si on peu tirer 100ch par litres sur les mauteurs maudernes :/


 
 
achete une panda et va voir un préparateur japonais  [:rhetorie du chaos]


Message édité par morb le 24-02-2006 à 19:24:48
n°7751160
Otan beauv​al
c'est clair rainette...
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:24:46  profilanswer
 

ouais enfin si c'est 100 ch a 10 000trs.... :/

n°7751161
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:24:55  profilanswer
 

e-deby a écrit :

moi je suis surtout certain que si j'avais eu ma GTI16 à 18 ans je serais plus de ce monde la


 
Moi non plus, je me suis planté il y a longtemps sur une route de campagne la nuit au début de mon permis avec une Renault 5 (excès d'optimisme, route avec gravillons, virage non indiqué, et aucune expérience de la vitesse la nuit... + mauvais réflexes), si j'avais eu la 309GTi16s de mon père je serai sans doute plus là pour en parler ou plus en état de marcher... Et pour ceux qui disent "oui mais avec la GTI tu aurais passé le virage... " et bien non parce qu'avec la GTI j'aurais été plus en confiance et j'aurais déboulé plus vite encore (ou j'aurais passé le premier virage et je me serai viandé au suivant) ! Vaut mieux finir à 80 dans un fossé qu'à 160...
 
 
 

Hougabouga35 a écrit :

De toute façon toutes les caisses actuelles sont assez puissantes pour n'importe qui voulant rouler comme un con...
Et ce n'est pas parce qu'on a une caisse "de merde" quon aura pas envie d'aller très vite.

Avec une bonne caisse on est plus en sécurité sauf qu'on est aussi plus en confiance, les limites arrivent plus tard... Donc ça dépend plus du conducteur que de la voiture mais jeune inexpérimenté qui jour un peu trop + voiture plus puissante = plus de risque de bobos (ou de dégats pour les autres aussi). En plus les grosses voitures ou GT ont tendance à être plus aseptisées coté impression de vitesse.


Message édité par NSXMan le 24-02-2006 à 19:29:09
n°7751174
Mustang
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:26:24  profilanswer
 

moralité : il suffi de pas jouer [:moule_bite]

n°7751193
EVO_Clubic
The Power Of Dreams
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:29:22  profilanswer
 

Vous l'avez trouvée sur caradisiac votre Lotus ?  :D


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Championnat GT Sport
n°7751201
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:30:58  profilanswer
 

Oui, c'est pour ça qu'un jeune qui a une voiture très puissante, il ne me fera pas croire que ça ne l'incite pas de temps en temps à jouer avec ou à les utiliser... Tout comme une voiture qui ne bronche pas dans les virages donnera envie de passer plus fort parfois...

n°7751216
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:34:00  profilanswer
 

Lotus APX Concept
 
http://pix.nofrag.com/1a/7c/6905e6d88a518394dff7b26cfae9.jpg
http://pix.nofrag.com/40/d3/bec9a604735db35b04b130f5aa99.jpg
http://pix.nofrag.com/5c/fd/b47c17a73327973431ae48de4e10.jpg

Le 4x4 sera l'avenir de l'automobile


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751222
smiley0041
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:34:24  profilanswer
 

[:sisicaivrai]


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Mon feed
mood
Publicité
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:34:24  profilanswer
 

n°7751232
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:36:07  profilanswer
 

Tiens en passant, j'ai vu en exclusivité il y a deux jours au pTS la nouvelle Enzo :D
 
 
http://lyo.club.fr/photos/Pts2006/Enzo-1-800.jpg
http://lyo.club.fr/photos/Pts2006/Enzo-2-800.jpg
http://lyo.club.fr/photos/Pts2006/Enzo-3-800.jpg
http://lyo.club.fr/photos/Pts2006/Enzo-4-800.jpg
http://lyo.club.fr/photos/Pts2006/Enzo-5-800.jpg
 
Les puristes auront reconnu la base de ce massacre ;)

Message cité 2 fois
Message édité par NSXMan le 24-02-2006 à 19:36:48
n°7751254
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:38:50  profilanswer
 

CRX delSol ? [:tinostar]


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751258
EVO_Clubic
The Power Of Dreams
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:38:54  profilanswer
 

Honda ? Mazda ?  :??:


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Championnat GT Sport
n°7751259
http2
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:38:56  profilanswer
 
n°7751263
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:39:27  profilanswer
 

mucus a écrit :

CRX delSol ? [:tinostar]


 
Eh oui, enfin ce qu'il en reste :D

n°7751269
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:40:15  profilanswer
 

NSXMan a écrit :

Eh oui, enfin ce qu'il en reste :D


ça craint pour elle  [:tinostar]


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751271
http2
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:40:28  profilanswer
 


 
Mon Dieu! Que c'est laid! :ouch:

n°7751275
EVO_Clubic
The Power Of Dreams
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:40:59  profilanswer
 

Mon dieu  [:alph-one]


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Championnat GT Sport
n°7751280
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:41:19  profilanswer
 

mucus a écrit :

Lotus APX Concept
Le 4x4 sera l'avenir de l'automobile[/i]


 
Light is right disait Colin  :pfff:  


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751284
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:41:43  profilanswer
 

1329 sera une page maudite :d


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751290
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:42:23  profilanswer
 

Et oui, et après on s'étonne que le tuning trimballe une si mauvaise image... Et encore vous avez pas vu la 206 dorée version Madmax :D Meme dans star trek ils en voudrait pas


Message édité par NSXMan le 24-02-2006 à 19:43:19
n°7751296
EVO_Clubic
The Power Of Dreams
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:43:11  profilanswer
 

Faÿpaÿtaÿ, je dois sortir de toute façon  [:joce]


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Championnat GT Sport
n°7751297
6fusion7
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:43:18  profilanswer
 


 
FOCK §§§
(encore qu'elle soit pas immonde mais Lotus quoi, Lotus !!)

n°7751298
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:43:19  profilanswer
 

si tu dois la poster ce sera la bonne page uniquement :whistle:


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751299
G@mbit
Parce que ça chie à l'oreille
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:43:26  profilanswer
 

:lol:


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Ma Galerie Photo
n°7751302
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:43:50  profilanswer
 

Je l'ai pas prise en photo, j'avais peur d'abimer mon téléphone :D
 

n°7751308
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:45:00  profilanswer
 

je comprends, c'est une sage décision :jap:


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751313
julien 54
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:45:39  profilanswer
 

Mais de toutes façons ce SUV Lotus n"est pas destiné à la vente  [:airforceone]

n°7751322
http2
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:47:01  profilanswer
 

Merci Seigneur!

n°7751327
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:47:53  profilanswer
 

Simon Wood, Director of Lotus Engineering explains the rationale behind building APX: 'the first production car from Lotus to use the Versatile Vehicle Architecture will be the new mid engine 'super sportscar', which will go into production in 2008. Lotus Cars customers eagerly await this vehicle that will be a class-leading and phenomenally high performing car. However, we wanted to demonstrate the true versatility of the VVA technology, and what better way than to build a type of car that no one would expect from Lotus – a 4-wheel drive 'Crossover' vehicle. I am delighted with this vehicle and we believe that this technology and strategy is what the motor industry must follow to be able to produce niche vehicles efficiently and quickly.

:sweat:


Message édité par mucus le 24-02-2006 à 19:48:53

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ASMR mécanique
n°7751330
G@mbit
Parce que ça chie à l'oreille
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:48:03  profilanswer
 

l'arriere me rapel la brera... :o


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Ma Galerie Photo
n°7751339
http2
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:50:03  profilanswer
 

Donc, ils vont finalement la vendre!

n°7751394
mucus
forti fide, vacuo animo
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 19:54:52  profilanswer
 

http2 a écrit :

Donc, ils vont finalement la vendre!


non  
 
Bonne lecture [:joce]
 

Spoiler :

APX by Lotus Engineering (APX stands for 'Aluminium Performance Crossover') is the first example of a complete vehicle built on the innovative Versatile Vehicle Architecture (VVA). APX is a demonstration of Lotus Engineering's ability to create innovative and exciting, high performance products through its world class capability in Vehicle Design, Performance Powertrain Engineering and niche vehicle development, the first production car from this technology will be the new Lotus mid-engine super sportscar.
 
It is a 7-seater (in reality a 5 + 2 with the two rear seats being occasional) four-wheel drive 'Crossover' vehicle with a front mounted 300 hp supercharged V6 petrol engine. Weighing in at just 1570 kg and with a power to weight ratio of 191 hp per tonne, the APX has sportscar like performance of 5.4 seconds to 100 km/h (5.0 seconds to 60 mph) before reaching a top speed of 245 km/h (152 mph). These performance figures are as good as the highest performing 4x4 'Crossover' vehicles from other brands with up to 195 hp per tonne. Crucially though, whereas those vehicles need higher output engines to compensate for heavy weight, APX does not. Combined fuel consumption for APX is estimated to be 8.7 litres / 100 km (or 32 mpg) – impressive on its own and more so when compared to its production rivals which often consume more than 13 litres per 100 km (22 mpg).
 
APX is manufactured predominantly from aluminium in the form of high-pressure die-cast corner nodes, stampings and extrusions. It uses advanced assembly techniques, including adhesive bonding, self-piercing rivets and flow-drill screws for construction – joining techniques that Lotus calls Riv-Bonding. Lotus has optimised the use of these technologies thus significantly reducing the number of mechanical fixings within the monocoque structure. This has reduced the level of investment required in manufacturing equipment. APX is not just a Lotus Engineering concept, but a feasible prototype close to production; it is not a concept indicating a strategic direction of Lotus Cars; it is, however, a brilliant demonstration of VVA and the skills of the team from Lotus Engineering into what is regarded as the future of niche vehicle manufacture. APX is production feasible as
 
all the components can be made cost effectively and in high niche volume (up to around 30,000 per year).
 
APX is powered by a V6 engine has been designed by Lotus Engineering's powertrain division. The directive for Project NEF was to produce a high performance prototype engine without the need to resort to exotic materials or manufacturing technology, allowing manufacture around the world.
 
APX's engine is a supercharged 3 litre (2996 cc, Bore: 88 mm, stroke: 82.1 mm) V6 DOHC engine, mounted longitudinally in the front of the vehicle. Performance of the engine is maximum power of 224 kW (300 hp, 304 PS) at 6250 rpm and a torque of 360 Nm at 4500 rpm. Like the vehicle, the engine not just a Lotus Engineering concept, but a feasible prototype close to production, however it is not a concept indicating a strategic powertrain direction of Lotus Cars. The engine is production feasible and it is expected that the commercialisation of this engine will be of interest to the automotive clients of Lotus Engineering.
 
Simon Wood, Director of Lotus Engineering explains the rationale behind building APX: 'the first production car from Lotus to use the Versatile Vehicle Architecture will be the new mid engine 'super sportscar', which will go into production in 2008. Lotus Cars customers eagerly await this vehicle that will be a class-leading and phenomenally high performing car. However, we wanted to demonstrate the true versatility of the VVA technology, and what better way than to build a type of car that no one would expect from Lotus – a 4-wheel drive 'Crossover' vehicle. I am delighted with this vehicle and we believe that this technology and strategy is what the motor industry must follow to be able to produce niche vehicles efficiently and quickly.
 
Simon Wood continues; 'There is already a great deal of interest in both APX and VVA technology from our client base and we will work hard to see how Lotus Engineering can help them with their strategic product solutions'.
 
Background
 
At the Geneva International Motorshow 2005 Lotus Engineering showed the first example of a VVA understructure. This understructure is the basis for APX. Traditionally OEMs seeking to gain competitive advantage through exciting niche vehicles have to either design a new platform or share one already available. Engineering a bespoke low-volume platform is an expensive, time-consuming solution, whilst sharing a mainstream chassis normally results in compromises in performance and design.
 
Lotus Versatile Vehicle Architecture (VVA) has been developed to bridge a gap in the investment-volume curve to exploit the benefits of producing at medium volumes but for niche markets, thereby giving the best chance of business case success and favourable returns. The key to the VVA architecture is the high-pressure die cast corner nodes that are combined with bonding, mechanical fasteners, extruded and pressed aluminium. Lotus Engineering is a world leader in aluminium, steel and composite body engineering, joining techniques, and vehicle systems integration. The innovative VVA technology offers a fast-to-market, costeffective approach to differentiated niche products by spreading the development, investment and bill of materials burden across a range of niche vehicle variants, without the compromise that stems from conventional ‘platform sharing'.
 
The philosophy is based on the commonality and versatility of key elements of the vehicle structure and body systems across a ‘family' of niche vehicle variants, with a combined annual
 
production rate of up to around 50,000 units. Structural components common to each family member are arranged in different configurations in each variant around the ingenious corner nodes. The great advantage of this technology is that it can be used by one OEM looking to develop a range of niche products, or by a group of OEMs looking to share investment, but still retain a
 
high degree of end product separation.
 
The Engine – 300 hp, 3-litre V6
 
APX is a front engined and four wheel drive 'Crossover' vehicle for occasional off road use. The V6 engine has been designed and developed by Lotus Engineering's powertrain division. The directive for the project was to produce a high performance prototype engine without the need to resort to exotic materials or manufacturing technology, allowing manufacture around the world. The supercharged V6 is part of a family of normally aspirated and supercharged high performance engines which includes 2.2 litre and 3.0 litre normally aspirated derivatives. All of these engines are at the prototype stage and are production feasible, but are not currently planned for production. The engine is production feasible and it is expected that the commercialisation of this engine will be of interest to the automotive clients of Lotus Engineering.
 
APX's engine is a supercharged 3 litre (2996 cc, Bore: 88 mm, stroke: 82.1 mm) V6 DOHC engine, mounted longitudinally in the front of the vehicle. It uses a Rootes-type supercharger with a compact air – to – water Laminova – type charge cooler with separate parallel coolant system using its own water pump and heat exchangers allowing a charge temperature reduction of approximately 50 degrees Celcius.
 
Performance of the engine is maximum power of 224 kW (300 hp, 304 PS) at 6250 rpm and a torque of 360 Nm at 4500 rpm. 80% of peak torque is between 1500 rpm and maximum revs of 6500 rpm. Like all products from Lotus, it follows the adage of 'performance through light weight', in that the engine weighs just 171 kg (fully dressed, dry weight). This gives a phenomenal specific output of around 1.31 kW/kg (1.7 hp/kg). Specific performance is 74.6 kW / litre (100 hp / litre, 101.3 PS / litre).
 
This light weight comes from using cast lightweight aluminium alloy cylinder block (with thin wall iron liners), aluminium cylinder head, and an aluminium structural oilpan, able to support
 
the front drive shafts. The oilpan also includes coolant and lubrication channels to the oil cooler and filter, and an electronic oil level and temperature sensor. Even the pistons are lightweight – with each on weighing just 454 grams!
 
The construction of the V6 engine is arranged around the two banks of cylinders at an angle of 75 degrees with a compact cylinder offset of just 32.5 mm. This allows the engine to be compact, with good vibration characteristics, eliminating any requirement for balance shafts and the related extra cost, weight, height and complexity. The Engine Management System uses a state of the art 32 bit ECU processor capable of over 200 million calculations per second. The ECU is Euro IV / E-OBD and LEV/OBDII compliant. And of course the engine satisfies the European End of Life Requirements (ELV) with respect to recyclability and recovery.
 
The V6 engine is an example of extensive research into 'engine downsizing by Lotus Engineering's Powertrain Team. Engine downsizing is the concept of using advanced technologies to enable a small engine to produce the power and torque of a much larger engine, with the obvious reduction in fuel consumption and emissions. One of the key demands of the automotive industry is to produce engines with not only low emissions and high fuel economy but also extremely good performance. These two demands for performance and economy are not normally compatible unless there is a significant change in the engine development strategy. Like the vehicle, the engine not just a Lotus Engineering concept, but a feasible prototype close to production, however it is not a concept indicating a strategic powertrain direction of Lotus Cars. The engine is production feasible and it is expected that the commercialisation of this engine will be of interest to the automotive clients of Lotus Engineering.
 
Vehicle Structure:
 
Prior to design release for the manufacture of this vehicle, the project was subject to industry standard engineering processes to ensure a quality product. Industry standard APQP processes have tracked and validated CAE (Computer Aided Engineering - Computer analysis for strength, durability, crash performance, Vibration, Aerodynamics, Fluid Flow etc), NCAP targets for crash, pedestrian impact, torsion, bending and modal stiffness targets, full static and dynamic CATIA V5 DMU (Digital Mock Up - Digital build of the car to demonstrate the vehicle build and prove the fit of each part) to minimise build issues and the full suite of Material and Process simulation and validation to confirm manufacturing feasibility. This coupled with tolerance analysis, full DFM/DFA (Design For Manufacture/Design For Assembly) and advanced joining technology research has been delivered in a true simultaneous engineering environment. The vehicle build proved very successful with only a handful of build concerns. A number of assembly validation builds were eliminated form the project saving both time and cost essential for niche vehicle projects needing ‘Right First Time' design and engineering philosophies to overcome tight project constraints.
 
All significant components and structural items are made from Aluminium. This means that APX weighs in at a sector leading light weight of 1570 kg so even though it is not a Lotus car, it adheres rigidly to the fundamental core values of the Lotus brand of 'Performance Through Light Weight'. Of course lightweight structures are Lotus Engineering's forte and this is the industry recognised area where the greatest improvements in performance and fuel economy can be gained.
 
Understructure Construction
 
The understructure is riv-bonded aluminium, consisting of high-pressure die-castings, stampings and extrusions, and uses advanced assembly techniques, including adhesive bonding, self-piercing rivets and flow-drill screws for construction. The self-piercing rivets are used in a similar way to spot welding on a conventional steel shell, with the flow-drill screws used for single-sided access on closed sections. Both suffice to hold the structure together during the adhesive cure cycle, and contribute to the performance of the structure during both static and dynamic impact conditions. The heat-cured high strength structural adhesive is the main joining medium, and used in combination with the mechanical fasteners, produces an immensely strong, durable joint and a lightweight shell with exceptional torsional stiffness.
 
The whole vehicle is 4697 mm long and 1852 mm wide. Wheel base is 2700 mm and track is
 
1554 mm (front) and 1556 mm (rear).
 
The Design
 
The brief for Lotus Design was to create a visually arresting ' Jekyll and Hyde ' car that fulfilled the needs of practical and flexible everyday transport but also provided the enthusiast with a focused driving machine. As with all crossover vehicles the solution is tailored to a specific niche buyer who will instantly identify with these unique attributes. Russell Carr, Chief of Design for Lotus explains: 'We saw the customer as a sportscar enthusiast who, with a typical family of 2 young children, occasionally wants to carry four or five adults in addition to their children. To facilitate this a third row of fold flat coupe style rear seats are accommodated within the cabin.' The flexibility of the VVA platform system enabled the Lotus Design Studio a rare opportunity to create a highly tailored solution that would meet, both, the complex requirements of the occupant and technical package as well as being aesthetically pleasing. The car has to look and feel like a sportscar but accommodate a 5 + 2 seating package.
 
Exterior Design:
 
Russell Carr explains the exterior design philosophy: 'We wanted the design to communicate the driving experience of the car, which is characterised by extreme power, performance and grip. Therefore the form language had to convey strength and velocity whilst looking planted to the road. As with all designs the essences of strength and movement are generated from stance and proportion which are, on this car, characterised by an extreme cab rearward, teardrop like silhouette and prominent wheel arches The illusion of speed is further communicated by a taught, fluid form language within which feature lines and surfaces stretch seamlessly from the penetrative nose to the boat - tail rear end. Power is re- enforced by a prominent hood line, similar to classic front engined sportscars, and flared arches, whilst strength is given by a deep bodyside and coupe style slim glasshouse.'
 
Interior Design
 
The brief for the interior of the car was to create an environment with the visual drama of a sportscar but with a high degree of functionality and a contemporary sense of luxury. Russell Carr explains further: 'We started by working with the engineering group to optimise the driving position and major controls. Then we created memorable features and controls that combine intuitive function with a unique design and high quality materials. This is evident in the design of the HVAC control, the start button and instrument pack. The latter communicates the cars sporting personality through a distinctive sports bike look which mixes analogue and digital displays within a high quality aluminium casing.' The digital screens of the instrument pack have multi-functionality enabling major data, including Satellite Navigation, to be placed logically in front of the driver. Great care was taken in developing the grains, textures and material finishes to ensure an ambience of sportiness and contemporary luxury.


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ASMR mécanique
n°7751543
NSXMan
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:17:04  profilanswer
 

Tiens je l'ai retrouvée la 26
 
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2749/10078572zr.jpg
 
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1070/10078594fr.jpg
 
Faut que je trouve le profil et l'avant , c'est le pire

n°7751553
Pad
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:18:25  profilanswer
 

NSXMan a écrit :

Tiens je l'ai retrouvée la 26
 
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2749/10078572zr.jpg
 
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1070/10078594fr.jpg
 
Faut que je trouve le profil et l'avant , c'est le pire


206 [:aloy]

n°7751628
daStubdaS
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:27:46  profilanswer
 

Sobre et élégant ! :sol:  
 
Plus de photos ? :D

n°7751633
morb
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:28:41  profilanswer
 

le coté obscur du jacky :o

n°7751636
http2
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:29:04  profilanswer
 

Je m'en servirai comme poubelle, je metterai mes ordures dedans pour pas que les chats aille déchirer les sacs
 
Le seul problème c'est qu'il y'a de fortes chances que les vidangeurs ramasse la 206 aussi :D

n°7751637
bugman23
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:29:25  profilanswer
 

:vomi: 206 jackytouch
 

n°7751644
G@mbit
Parce que ça chie à l'oreille
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:31:18  profilanswer
 

bugman23 a écrit :

:vomi: 206 jackytouch


+1


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Ma Galerie Photo
n°7751667
Dkiller
Posté le 24-02-2006 à 20:35:21  profilanswer
 

ben-g a écrit :

Spoiler :

Pourquoi Dkiller a du se séparer de son m3?  :whistle:


Spoiler :

on me dit que la question est nulle



 

EVO_Clubic a écrit :

Spoiler :

Un platane  :D


Houuu :o

Vive les kéké  [:chacal_one333]  
 

tuny a écrit :

Sinon que pensez-vous la BMW Z4 M roadster ?  :love:  :love:  Plus que 100 ans de salaire et elle est à moi lol.
 
 :hello:  :hello:

J'adore le Z4M :love:
Par contre tu dois tu tromper, ça fait à peine trois mois de salaire  [:cupra]  

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