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n°2469755
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:19:08  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :
C'est notre coté nikoniste à attendre des mois la nouveauté qui ne vient pas. [:swing]

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Message édité par Poogz le 18-04-2008 à 09:19:25

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Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:19:08  profilanswer
 

n°2469765
swing
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:26:54  profilanswer
 

de toute façon votre 5DII va vite etre dépassé [:swing]


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n°2469769
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:28:08  profilanswer
 

Il sera même obsolète à sa sortie [:swing]


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n°2469770
swing
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:28:43  profilanswer
 

envoyé à des années-lumière par le D500 [:swing]


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n°2469771
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:29:23  profilanswer
 

D500 qui sera dispo en même temps que le 5D MK XXIX [:swing]


Message édité par Poogz le 18-04-2008 à 09:29:32

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n°2469782
la poutanc​e
wacca wacca wacca
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:34:46  profilanswer
 

Poogz a écrit :

C'est notre coté nikoniste à attendre des mois la nouveauté qui ne vient pas. [:swing]


 
ouais mais chez Nikon, on connait les caractéristiques...et on a bien 6 mois pour les éplucher et dire que c'est de la merde avant de voir un boitier dispo en magasin :D

n°2469792
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:38:14  profilanswer
 

la poutance a écrit :


 
ouais mais chez Nikon, on connait les caractéristiques...et on a bien 6 mois pour les éplucher et dire que c'est de la merde avant de voir un boitier dispo en magasin :D


 
Canon a fait ça avec le Mk III, ils ont retardé sa sortie pour trafiquer le système d'Af afin qu'il plante aléatoirement quand il fait chaud [:swing]


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n°2469796
swing
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:39:38  profilanswer
 

sont rusés chez canon [:swing]


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n°2469801
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:40:47  profilanswer
 

Du cout nikon essaye de se rattraper avec un firmware boiteux pour le D3. [:swing]


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n°2469804
swing
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:43:30  profilanswer
 

au moins c'est pas mécanique [:swing]


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mood
Publicité
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:43:30  profilanswer
 

n°2469805
la poutanc​e
wacca wacca wacca
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:44:02  profilanswer
 

La vraie question est: "Mais que fais Pentax dans tout ça???"
 
 
 
:D

n°2469807
swing
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 09:44:44  profilanswer
 

ben aussi un FF pour la 'kina [:swing]


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n°2469993
alainphoto
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 12:06:55  profilanswer
 

suite de l'interview publiée hier en japonais :)
 
a priori pas encore de traduction complète, dommage, vu que c'est un officiel canon japon je pense que cette interview est ce qu'on a de plus intéressant depuis longtemps ... visiblement tout le monde préfère débattre des pseudo fautes d'orthographe en allemand de la capture d'écran douteuse, ce qui n'a aucun intérêt :o
 
l'info est reprise dans un topic sur dpr :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/ [...] d=27604439
 
voici un commentaire intéressant de qqun qui comprends le japonais : en gras les parties correctement traduites et intéressantes  :love:  
 

Citation :

I don't have time to do a proper translation (not that my Japanese is nearly that good), but a few comments about this interview.
> This is an extract of the text translated to english via babelfish.
> Seems like he is saying that the announcement will be made in
> photokina at fall..
 
Sorry, It doesn't say that. When asked by the interviewer about the prospect for a new 5D at photokina, the interviewee replied that they are working hard to deliver the 5D update as soon as possible.
 
> "After the inaugurating, it was the question fish story which
> indicates the fact that directly it starts the succession type of
> full size machine in the April ─ ─ last year. Recently
> until the product appears from plan commencement, because time about
> of 1 year half is required generally, in Photokina which this year is
> the biggest event, the 5D succession type becoming announcement, to
> be strange, without being, the shank.
 
Geez, Google translation is horrid! This was a question asked by the interviewer. He says that in an interview from last April ('07), a Canon VP said that they had started on a new full size sensor model. And that since a camera generally spends about 1.5 years in development, would it not be reasonable to expect the new full size model to be released at Photokina.
 
> Because size of the expectation for the full size machine has been
> transmitted even in this, it finishes in the as much as possible good
> product. Please enjoy. In regard to picture quality and in regard to
> added value, it becomes something which progresses largely probably
> will be. "
 
This was from the answer provided by the interviewee. He says that Canon is aware of the anticipation for a new full sized model, and they will meet that anticipation as soon as possible. He also added that the new full sized model will be a significant improvement over the 5D in terms of IQ and customer value (whatever that is), and that he's looking forward to us enjoying it.
 
Key point :: He did not confirm Photokina. It could be announced on 4/22 as easily as 8/22. Also of interest, he does seem to rule out the 5D being split into a high-price and low-price model. He was asked if Canon has any intention at this time of expanding their full-frame camera lineup, and he flatly said no. The price-performance leader is in APS-C cameras, and Canon feels their balance between APS-C and full-size is okay for a range of products.
 
Honestly though, Google's Japanese translation is all but useless, If you have to resort to machine translation, I recommend using Excite's service...it's a bit more understandable.


 
vous vouliez des infos ? ben les voila :)
 
le 5d2 arrive, le plus vite possible, et il sera bon  :love:


Message édité par alainphoto le 18-04-2008 à 12:22:00

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n°2470111
alainphoto
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 13:32:55  profilanswer
 

une autre trad, moins bien tournée, mais de l'ensemble de la partie 5D de l'interview  
 
en gros la conclusion est simple : oui un FF est dans les tuyaux, oui il arrive vite, non il ne s'engage pas sur une date, la progression en qualité par rapport au 5D sera notable en terme de qualité et de features (pour les features ça va pas être dur imho :D )
 

Citation :

Don't have time to spend on doing this decently, but here is some translation, some paraphrasing of the part of the interview that is relevant to this group.
Single brackets [] are gross paraphrase, double brackets [[]] are my notes.
 
********
 
Q: [5D follow on, there have been talk of two actual bodies, any truth?]
 
A: How many bodies (platforms) for [Canon] to carry is a difficult question, and since that is so then there will be no rapidly expanding the lineup. The mirror box design is different than that of the APS-C , [[etc. Added as an afterthought, no doubt to emphasize that the full size platform is really a different camera than the APS-C cameras.]]
 
Q: Be that as it may, for the class of user influenced by the 35mm film size, [...] coming in at a little lower price would be good.
 
A: [[summarily - You get what you get.]] DSLR develop times are long, and what our line should be is now a topic of discussion. We've accumulated a long history of camera operabilities, in ease of use and interoperability and functions..., and we need to spend a lot of time scrutinizing these types of issues. Lots of testing and polishing up, [ etc. ]
 
Q: April of last year, when you took over, you said that you immediately gave instructions for the full size follow on machine. Recently, in undertaking projects [you indicated] it takes about a year and a half, and this year [you mentioned] a big event at Photokina... isn't it going to be the 5D follow on?
 
A: There is a big expectation for a full size machine, and that is here being transmitted again... to the extent that is possible, to make a good product, we are finishing it up.... [and when it comes] please enjoy it.
 
Regarding image quality and added value, the progress will be on a grand scale I think...
 
Q: At the previous interview, you said you wanted to change camera usability and numerics [specs] .... how is the progress on that?
 
A: [ mechanicals, sound [[mirror]] improvements, wide variety... but on the specs not so... but we are investigating "what kind of camera?" and so forth....] [[ he sounds fairly non-committal, or better yet non-revelatory ]]
 
Q: At the previous interview you spoke of the boring middle class camera[...], the amateur sphere... [etc.]
 
A: [Camera designers face that sort of thing... we're in the middle of exploring that... to satisfy the spec demands and the cost constraints.... we make changes little by little.]
 
Q: No matter what, about the full size follow on machine, will "new pleasure" be found no later than Photokina?
 
A: Certainly, this year has only begun. There's been 1 announcement [450D]... and we won't betray the expectation for a new product.
 
 
********
 
Only two things worth noting... he wouldn't commit to a time frame before Photokina, and he thinks the changes (from the 5D) are significant.
 
Cost IMO is up in the air... the dollar value being what it is, any Japanese company ought not commit to a price until the very last minute.


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n°2470480
Toxin
Carpe ★★ Vitam
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 16:09:38  profilanswer
 

Poogz a écrit :

Mardi on saura si il faut encore attendre ou bien....[:swing]


On attendra je pense.


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n°2470866
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 19:40:52  profilanswer
 

Toxin a écrit :


On attendra je pense.


 
 
Oui mais combien de temps [:swing]


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n°2471019
JeanY
ça le fait grave...
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:09:48  profilanswer
 

Poogz a écrit :


 
 
Oui mais combien de temps [:swing]


 
annonce en août...dispo fin septembre  ;)


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n°2471025
alainphoto
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:13:15  profilanswer
 

je serais dégouté :D
 
j'aurais fait trois mois de mon voyage au 20D, et pouf 5d2 a un mois de la fin  :cry:


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n°2471026
Anathema
Justice for all...
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:14:20  profilanswer
 

Ça serait déjà pas mal [:groody]

 

Pis vaut mieux un boîtier qui traîne et qui mérite son prix plutôt qu'une mise à jour commerciale blindée de bug [:anathema]

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Message édité par Anathema le 18-04-2008 à 21:14:33
n°2471038
JeanY
ça le fait grave...
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:18:26  profilanswer
 
n°2471048
starostise
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:23:45  profilanswer
 

:o

n°2471075
Fdd_fr
Le nylon c'est bon
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:31:30  profilanswer
 
n°2471128
la poutanc​e
wacca wacca wacca
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 21:51:33  profilanswer
 

Tain z'etes vraiment pas droles :D

n°2471156
alainphoto
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 22:07:31  profilanswer
 

Anathema a écrit :

Ça serait déjà pas mal [:groody]
 
Pis vaut mieux un boîtier qui traîne et qui mérite son prix plutôt qu'une mise à jour commerciale blindée de bug [:anathema]


 
oui mais je serais dégouté quand même  :lol:  


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n°2471187
JeanY
ça le fait grave...
Posté le 18-04-2008 à 22:20:22  profilanswer
 


 
t'ain t'es pas drôle, t'aurais pu laisser courir un peu quand même...  :D


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n°2471903
alainphoto
Posté le 19-04-2008 à 14:57:16  profilanswer
 


dpreview du D3 out, super intéressante comme d'hab :)
 
la comparaison high iso se fait sur D3/1Ds3/D300/5D
 
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3/
 
bonne lecture :)


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n°2472655
Oxygen3
Tears from the moon
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 01:00:51  profilanswer
 

Pitaing, le 5D MkII va être une tuerie [:cerveau lent] (vu qu'il va attaquer le D3 sur ce petit terrain)


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n°2472656
Anathema
Justice for all...
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 01:02:57  profilanswer
 

Ça va le 5D de base a déjà pas grand chose à envier au D3 si ce n'est le lissage de bourrin.

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Message édité par Anathema le 20-04-2008 à 01:03:08
n°2472658
Oxygen3
Tears from the moon
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 01:04:55  profilanswer
 

Anathema a écrit :

Ça va le 5D de base a déjà pas grand chose à envier au D3 si ce n'est le lissage de bourrin.


 
C'est surtout les perfs en chroma noise qui sont bluffantes, le noir est NOIR à 3200 et même 6400 iso, c'est

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It's also worth mentioning that all the cameras here - even the D300 and EOS-1Ds Mark III with their densely-packed sensors - produce high ISO results that would have been unthinkable a few years ago, giving photographers the kind of flexibility they could only dream of in the days of film. Where the D3 really impresses is at the extremes - ISO 6400 and above - at which point it really does set a new benchmark; not only for low noise, but for detail and (importantly) color accuracy. Impressive stuff.


 
Ce qui me pousse à dire que Canon va être obligés de frapper assez fort avec son 5D MkII pour contrer le 3D qui semble super complet à un prix pas si fou que ca :o


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n°2472714
pulpipi
Un ours cé relativement gros
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 02:08:16  profilanswer
 

Anathema a écrit :

Ça va le 5D de base a déjà pas grand chose à envier au D3 si ce n'est le lissage de bourrin.


 
Clair que le vieux 5D est loin d'être ridicule :D
 
Il a juste pas les 12millions d'iso :D


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n°2472947
Anathema
Justice for all...
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:02:14  profilanswer
 

"The 5D MK II will be announced in August and not in April.
No new series planned in 2008.
2009 New series 3D "

n°2472973
delantera
Hail Seitan.
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:19:54  profilanswer
 

source :o

n°2472976
Anathema
Justice for all...
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:21:16  profilanswer
 
n°2472981
delantera
Hail Seitan.
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:23:06  profilanswer
 

quel bande de fainéants Canon :o

n°2472982
Anathema
Justice for all...
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:23:23  profilanswer
 

Y a aussi :
 

# The appearance of Contrast based AF on the 450D signifies a desire to move away from the traditional view of what goes in a DSLR - it's still not good enough for 'active scenes' They are keen to preserve the 'essence' of the SLR camera.
#
# With the development of LV, Canon may put the popular Intelllegence Auto mode in SLR as well, recall that Programme AE was brought into SLR by Canon.
#
# They are actively doing research in how to further improve CMOS's noise level, some results were shown on 450D, as they promote new SLR, they improve the CMOS's quality.
#
# The interviewee wants to make the FF market parallel to APS-C personally, however this was not quite practical at the moment. He said APS-C line has good price/performance ratio, those who go for FF are true enthusiasts. In the future, he wants to add some products at an affordable price for those enthusiasts. Though he thought it is the right time to discuss on the new product arrangement, new product lines will not appear in 2008. For the highly anticipated 5D sucessor, they understand public's expect, and he asked everyone to wait and see. He claimed that they will do their best to bring out a good product .There will be great improvement in both quality and add-on value.
#
# The interviewer covered Canon's old tradition of "limiting users at diiferent levels" and is excellent yet not stunning.
# The interviewee agreed and said in the past they often considered that "Dealing with cost limit and specification" is higher than "anticipation of the designer", however, this is changing. All in all, besides expecting 5D sucessor at photokina, there is still something else. He said the year has just begun and there are some good things to come.


 
Censée être l'interview du monsieur Canon japonais.

n°2472987
Fdd_fr
Le nylon c'est bon
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:24:17  profilanswer
 

3D ?
 
serait-ce un futur APS-C "luxury" ?  :ouch: .......


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n°2472989
delantera
Hail Seitan.
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:25:37  profilanswer
 

Fdd_fr a écrit :

3D ?
 
serait-ce un futur APS-C "luxury" ?  :ouch: .......


syntax error :o

n°2472992
Fdd_fr
Le nylon c'est bon
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 12:26:21  profilanswer
 

c'était trop beau pour être vrai  :sweat:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 :cry:


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n°2473356
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 15:37:38  profilanswer
 


 
 
On verra, mais le mec qui donne cette info s'est inscrit hier sur D Preview. [:swing]


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n°2473357
Anathema
Justice for all...
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 15:38:42  profilanswer
 

En imitant le pseudo d'un mec qui donne d'habitude de bons tuyaux...
 
Donc soit grosse connerie, soit c'est le même qui a perdu son pass :D

n°2473361
Poogz
Sous les octets la plage (︶o︶)
Posté le 20-04-2008 à 15:39:16  profilanswer
 

Dans 2 jours on saura :d


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