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Syrie - Damas tombée, les islamistes au pouvoir, Assad à Moscou

n°72055125
Faramir
Covfefe. What else ?
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:31:37  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :

alienor2nvelakitain a écrit :

C'est vraiment rivetant ce petit débat.  :o Les syriens suspendent leur souffle.


 
C'est pas vraiment un débat, plus du pourrissage alors que l'essentiel a été dit: la plupart des gens se réjouissent de la chute du bourreau et sont vigilants pour la suite.


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Politiquement parlant, je suis ambidextre.
mood
Publicité
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:31:37  profilanswer
 

n°72055132
bluesnakes
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:32:02  profilanswer
 

seu a écrit :

Et du coup vous pouvez exposer votre point de vue en tant que modéré ? :D

 

Au lieu de passer votre temps à chialer :jap:


Déjà fait

 
bluesnakes a écrit :


Nous non plus (à moins que tu veuilles intervenir en Syrie ?)

 

En sans faire preuve d'un optimisme béat et en gardant des réserves sur l'avenir de ce pays, l'affaiblissement des russes est dans notre intérêt en tant qu'europeen et français.

 

Je suis prêt à parier que même Israël est plus réservé que certains ici qui ne voient que du négatif sur ce qui se passe depuis 2 semaines en Syrie



Message édité par bluesnakes le 13-12-2024 à 13:50:43
n°72055159
alienor2nv​elakitain
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:34:36  profilanswer
 

Mac_Lane a écrit :


 
Qu'est-ce c'est que cet anglicisme dégueu ma'me sylphide [:dileste4:3]


 
C'était pour détendre l'atmosphère.  [:sylvie rosemoiselle:2]  
 
Bon, pour en revenir à la Syrie, on parle beaucoup du danger du groupe rebelle maintenant en place mais le pays ne risque-t-il pas d'être morcelé entre le nord contrôlé par la Turquie et le sud par Israel ? (si je me gourre pas  [:marllt2] )
 
Trump voudrait déléguer le foutoir syrien à la Turquie si j'ai bien suivi...
 

Faramir a écrit :


 
C'est pas vraiment un débat, plus du pourrissage alors que l'essentiel a été dit: la plupart des gens se réjouissent de la chute du bourreau et sont vigilants pour la suite.


 
C'était bien le sens de ma remarque.  :jap:

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Message édité par alienor2nvelakitain le 13-12-2024 à 13:36:17
n°72055256
rokhlan
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:43:41  profilanswer
 

alienor2nvelakitain a écrit :

Trump voudrait déléguer le foutoir syrien à la Turquie si j'ai bien suivi...


Il a dû entendre parler des exploits d'Erdogan, le saoumfa, le faiseur de paix [:lumbahaab:4]
Celui qui a réconcilié la Somalie et l'Ethiopie [:lumbahaab:4]  
 
Türkiye brokers historic deal between Somalia, Ethiopia

Citation :

https://image.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/75/0x0/675a721cc8198272f9dfedd9.jpg

n°72055378
Esiuol
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:54:41  profilanswer
 

https://bsky.app/profile/tendar.bsk [...] 6rbprgrk2s
 

Citation :

Military analysts in the German Defense Ministry assess that Russian forces in the bases in Tartus and Latakia (Khmeimim) are preparing their complete withdrawal. Security guarantees are only limited to their peaceful withdrawal. They also asses that the port of Tartus has already been abandoned.


 
Les russes prépareraient leur départ de Syrie.

n°72055399
piou piou ​piou
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:56:32  profilanswer
 

[:le-covid:1]

n°72055411
alienor2nv​elakitain
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:57:25  profilanswer
 

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/pictures/bBet-vulH0dduNPqflojrn_RC8s/0x0:2827x3494/fit-in/720x/2024/12/10/carte-syrie-8-dec-2024-07-67580b87cc878269205657.png
 
Va falloir unifier tout ça rapidement mais la Turquie veut en finir avec les kurdes (les combats continuent présentement).

n°72055413
Latiole
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:57:38  profilanswer
 

Esiuol a écrit :

https://bsky.app/profile/tendar.bsk [...] 6rbprgrk2s

 
Citation :

Military analysts in the German Defense Ministry assess that Russian forces in the bases in Tartus and Latakia (Khmeimim) are preparing their complete withdrawal. Security guarantees are only limited to their peaceful withdrawal. They also asses that the port of Tartus has already been abandoned.

 

Les russes prépareraient leur départ de Syrie.

 

Ça vaut quoi les analyses allemandes ?
Ils ont l'un des plus faibles réseau d'infos d'occident.

n°72055421
Latiole
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 13:58:30  profilanswer
 

alienor2nvelakitain a écrit :

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/picture [...] 205657.png

 

Va falloir unifier tout ça rapidement mais la Turquie veut en finir avec les kurdes (les combats continuent présentement).

 

C'est quoi la zone tampon là ?

n°72055441
Faramir
Covfefe. What else ?
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:00:19  profilanswer
 

Esiuol a écrit :

https://bsky.app/profile/tendar.bsk [...] 6rbprgrk2s
 

Citation :

Military analysts in the German Defense Ministry assess that Russian forces in the bases in Tartus and Latakia (Khmeimim) are preparing their complete withdrawal. Security guarantees are only limited to their peaceful withdrawal. They also asses that the port of Tartus has already been abandoned.


 
Les russes prépareraient leur départ de Syrie.


 
Pour aller où ? J'espère qu'ils pourront pas rapatrier tranquillement leurs navires et autres matériels de guerre...normalement pas le droit de passer les détroits non ?
 
Dommage que dans la désorganisation générale quelques rafiots n'aient pas été coulés.


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Politiquement parlant, je suis ambidextre.
mood
Publicité
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:00:19  profilanswer
 

n°72055453
Esiuol
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:01:47  profilanswer
 

Faramir a écrit :


 
Pour aller où ? J'espère qu'ils pourront pas rapatrier tranquillement leurs navires et autres matériels de guerre...normalement pas le droit de passer les détroits non ?
 
Dommage que dans la désorganisation générale quelques rafiots n'aient pas été coulés.


 
Tu parles de les rapatrier en Mer Noire? Je crois que ça dépend du port d’attache et du tonnage des bateaux, mais je peux me tromper.

n°72055455
rokhlan
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:02:02  profilanswer
 

Faramir a écrit :

normalement pas le droit de passer les détroits non ?


Si leur port d’attache est transféré vers un port de la Mer Noire, ils auront le droit de traverser.

n°72055459
alienor2nv​elakitain
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:02:27  profilanswer
 

Latiole a écrit :


 
C'est quoi la zone tampon là ?


 
Base américaine avec zone de "désescalade" autour...
 
edit : la zone tampon israelienne, on la voit à peine sur la carte.  [:hornisland:3]


Message édité par alienor2nvelakitain le 13-12-2024 à 14:04:42
n°72055559
merise2
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:15:32  profilanswer
 

https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/ [...] e-20241209
 
Problème : contrairement au métro, rien n'indique le sens de la circulation..
 

Spoiler :


 
le 10/12/2024 à 16:12
 
Prochainement chez vous . Courtoisie du NFP et de ses courroies de transmissions : les ONGs.

n°72055609
Maalak
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:20:09  profilanswer
 

rokhlan a écrit :


Il a dû entendre parler des exploits d'Erdogan, le saoumfa, le faiseur de paix [:lumbahaab:4]
Celui qui a réconcilié la Somalie et l'Ethiopie [:lumbahaab:4]  
 
Türkiye brokers historic deal between Somalia, Ethiopia



 
C'est dans le topic Afrique qu'il faudra rapporter ce genre de news.

n°72055918
kropotchni​kov
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:54:12  profilanswer
 

azymantiop a écrit :

Si y a des pro-Assad ici alors ce qui n'en sont pas sont des pro djihadistes.
Nous voilà bien avancés.


 
Mais qu'est ce que tu veux y faire ?
 
Ils sont chez eux en terre d' Islam et tout le monde sait à quel point la religion est importante dans ces pays
Tu crois qu'on vas comme ça exporter la démocratie, la laïcité d'état, la stricte égalité H-F, le féminisme, le wokisme, le droit des gays de s'embraser en public, la protection des animaux etc etc....?
Ca a été tenté ça marche pas
 
Faut faciliter l'asile politique pour les personnes à qui ça convient pas, ceux qui restent on peut dire que le nouveau régime les dérange pas au minimum voir ils adhèrent
 
 
 


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S'il est vrai que c'est l'exception qui confirme la règle, alors une règle qui n'est faite que d'exceptions est amplement confirmée non ? Oui, sauf exceptions
n°72055924
piou piou ​piou
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:55:04  profilanswer
 

Can Syria’s Islamist rebels govern the country? Their rule in Idlib offers clues
 

Citation :

How the rebels governed Idlib, in northwest Syria, offers insight into how they might rule the country. Experts and residents of Idlib describe their governance as pragmatic and influenced by both internal and external pressure, with efforts to distance themselves from a jihadist past and gain international acceptance. However, their rule was far from democratic or liberal. Governing a large, diverse nation like Syria, they warn, will be an entirely different challenge.
 
...
 
Dr. Walid Tamer, a resident of Idlib who witnessed the province’s transformation under rebel rule and said he personally interacted with Jolani, commended the SSG’s governance in Idlib, saying freedom of expression was protected. But he cautioned that the rebels aren’t prepared to rule the rest of the country.
 
...
 
Idlib was “very safe” under the SSG, he said, adding that the rebels placed no restrictions on travel and movement inside the HTS-controlled province.
 
“Syria as a whole was a difficult place to live in, but the (SSG) never interfered in your personal life. Products were available and no limitations were imposed on your clothing or how you lived your life,” he said.
 
Life in the province was not one of prosperity, however. Abdel Latif Zakoor, a resident of Idlib who lived under rebel rule but has now moved to Turkey, told CNN the economic conditions under the SSG were “very difficult.”
 
“There wasn’t enough work, and a lot of people just stayed at home,” he said.
 
When Jolani, who now goes by his real name Ahmed al-Sharaa, expanded his influence in Idlib in 2017, he eliminated rival Islamist groups and backed a new project to install a civilian government made up of local technocrats and academics, breaking from other jihadist methods that saw religious coercion under the rule of the sword in territories they captured.
 
“Before the Salvation Government you had many different factions that had their own courts of justice, prisons and social services,” Jerome Drevon, a senior analyst who has researched HTS for the Brussels-based International Crisis Group think tank, told CNN. “It imposed itself on other factions and took out their governing responsibilities.”
 
Upon its establishment in 2017, the SSG issued a communique outlining four principles, one of which was that Islamic Sharia law is the “sole source of legislation,” emphasizing the need to “maintain the people’s Syrian and Islamic identity,” Al Jazeera reported.
 
The SSG operated as a functional government, holding publicized cabinet meetings with suited officials, issuing press statements and overseeing eleven ministries, including justice, sports, and education. It collected taxes, managed Idlib’s limited resources to govern 4 million people, and coordinated with international humanitarian groups to deliver aid to the 3 million displaced people in the region.
 
But the government wasn’t democratically elected, with ministers appointed through the approval of the shura, or consultative council, made up of prominent local figures, some of whom were selected by Jolani’s HTS. No women served in SSG leadership positions during its seven years of rule.
 
“It’s an Islamic governance in a technocratic way. What they wanted to do is control how religion is understood and how it’s implemented,” said Drevon.
 
A United Nations report from 2022 painted a grim picture of what life under HTS’ leadership was like.
 
“People were detained following comments made in private conversations pertaining to the cost of living or religious matters,” the UN Human Rights Council report on Syria said. “These comments were qualified as slander and blasphemy, with the latter leading to a sentence of one year of imprisonment.” Authorities “continued to arrest women for being ‘inappropriately’ dressed, and for non-compliance with entertainment-related bans.”
 
Tamer, who said he negotiated with HTS and SSG officials over medical matters, said that over the years, Jolani took a back seat in the daily affairs of the government and gave it more agency, only intervening on larger issues that endangered his group’s influence.
 
Lacking a constitution or an elected legislature, the rebels ruled Idlib by decree, setting up a hybrid civil-Islamic court structure that included defense lawyers, a prosecutor and an appeals process.
 
Jolani was pragmatic in adapting to the requirements of the society he ruled over, Drevon said. Responding to the public’s displeasure, he slowly phased out the strict application of Islamic law, turned a blind eye to gender mixing and smoking and allowed protests against him. A Sharia law-based morality unit was disbanded but women were encouraged to cover their hair.
 
“It was a successful project in practice because there was also some buy in from the population. It was stable, the economy was working better (than the rest of Syria) and even the type of authoritarianism was nothing compared to Assad’s family,” Drevon said.
 
But there were exceptions. Last year, the SSG issued a “morality decree” instructing children to adhere to an Islamic dress code and limiting music in educational facilities. Jolani intervened to freeze the decree, fearing that an international uproar could affect aid donations, Drevon said.
 
Another issue was the arrest and alleged torture of dissidents that caused significant protests against Jolani in Idlib last year. Jolani told CNN last week that abuses in prisons “were not done under our orders or directions” and that HTS had already penalized the perpetrators.

n°72055939
mantrikk
Bitmap Bro'
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:56:58  profilanswer
 

kropotchnikov a écrit :


 
Mais qu'est ce que tu veux y faire ?
 
Ils sont chez eux en terre d' Islam et tout le monde sait à quel point la religion est importante dans ces pays
Tu crois qu'on vas comme ça exporter la démocratie, la laïcité d'état, la stricte égalité H-F, le féminisme, le wokisme, le droit des gays de s'embraser en public, la protection des animaux etc etc....?
Ca a été tenté ça marche pas
 
Faut faciliter l'asile politique pour les personnes à qui ça convient pas, ceux qui restent on peut dire que le nouveau régime les dérange pas au minimum voir ils adhèrent
 
 
 


 
Alors ça, je crois qu'ils ont le droit, sur place publique, même  :o


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An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world's blind.  
n°72055940
Ticento
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 14:57:19  profilanswer
 

[:teepodavignon:8]

[:salami dubongout:4] Claude Posternak (@claudeposternak) :

Le chef druze d'al-Suwayda, sud-ouest de la Syrie, publie une résolution : « Nous n'accepterons pas de vivre sous la domination des rebelles, qui sont identiques à l'EI, nous voulons vivre sous la domination israélienne et faire partie d'Israël. »  
https://rehost.diberie.com/Rehost?size=min&url=https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1867325487497822208/pu/img/AMvyp-FF2qfOBeBd.jpg&hfr-url-data=https%3A%2F%2Fvideo.twimg.com%2Fext_tw_video%2F1867325487497822208%2Fpu%2Fvid%2Favc1%2F720x864%2FunKNp5Xl3WK2KeZS.mp4%3Ftag%3D12&hfr-media-type=video%2Fmp4


 
ce bordel  [:lebagnadore:10]

n°72055961
Latiole
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:01:34  profilanswer
 

kropotchnikov a écrit :

 

Faut faciliter l'asile politique pour les personnes à qui ça convient pas, ceux qui restent on peut dire que le nouveau régime les dérange pas au minimum voir ils adhèrent

  


 

Non.

n°72055967
Latiole
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:02:35  profilanswer
 

 
Ticento a écrit :

 

ce bordel [:lebagnadore:10]

 

Jolani avait las dit qu'il vouait des normaliser les relations avec Israël ?

n°72055987
seu
Fracass ™
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:07:32  profilanswer
 

Ticento a écrit :

[:teepodavignon:8]
 
ce bordel  [:lebagnadore:10]


 
Here we go again  :D  
 
 [:rhadamenthos:7]

n°72056012
Maouuu
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:11:17  profilanswer
 


 

Ticento a écrit :


 
ce bordel  [:lebagnadore:10]


Vite allons porter assistance a ces valeureux guerriers, et annexons une partie de la Syrie [:dworkin:6]

n°72056071
Latiole
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:19:18  profilanswer
 

Maouuu a écrit :


Vite allons porter assistance a ces valeureux guerriers, et annexons une partie de la Syrie [:dworkin:6]

 

C'est bien ce qu'ils devraient faire pr mettre sous protection les chrétiens et les druzes.

n°72056076
Maouuu
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:20:02  profilanswer
 

Latiole a écrit :


 
C'est bien ce qu'ils devraient faire pr mettre sous protection les chrétiens et les druzes.


Suffit de mettre un Assad light :o

n°72056086
Sgt-D
Modérateur
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:21:01  profilanswer
 

Latiole a écrit :


 
C'est bien ce qu'ils devraient faire pr mettre sous protection les chrétiens et les druzes.


 
Pareil pour les maronites au Liban? Les Arméniens?

n°72056089
Maouuu
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:21:27  profilanswer
 

Les Kurdes au nord :o

n°72056102
teepodavig​non
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:22:52  profilanswer
 

 
Ticento a écrit :

 

ce bordel [:lebagnadore:10]


Une faction pro israel au MO  [:kurt haribo]


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Laurent est mon fils.
n°72056141
Sgt-D
Modérateur
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:28:22  profilanswer
 

Maouuu a écrit :

Les Kurdes au nord :o


 
Dans le fond c'est ce qui pourrait arriver de mieux à Israël, diluer sa démographie grandissante de Juifs ultraorthodoxes dans une population plus variée, histoire de ne pas devenir une random dictature obscurantiste - comme si ça manquait dans le coin
 

n°72056164
piou piou ​piou
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:31:52  profilanswer
 

Assad's final hours in Syria: Deception, despair and flight
 

Citation :

DUBAI, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Bashar al-Assad confided in almost no one about his plans to flee Syria as his reign collapsed. Instead, aides, officials and even relatives were deceived or kept in the dark, more than a dozen people with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
Hours before he escaped for Moscow, Assad assured a meeting of about 30 army and security chiefs at the defence ministry on Saturday that Russian military support was on its way and urged ground forces to hold out, according to a commander who was present and requested anonymity to speak about the briefing.
 
...
 
Assad told his presidential office manager on Saturday when he finished work he was going home but instead headed to the airport, according to an aide in his inner circle.
 
He also called his media adviser, Buthaina Shaaban, and asked her to come to his home to write him a speech, the aide said. She arrived to find no one was there.
 
"Assad didn't even make a last stand. He didn't even rally his own troops," said Nadim Houri, executive director of the Arab Reform Initiative regional think-tank. "He let his supporters face their own fate."
 
...
 
Assad didn't even inform his younger brother, Maher, commander of the Army's elite 4th Armoured Division, about his exit plan, according to three aides. Maher flew a helicopter to Iraq and then to Russia, one of the people said.
 
Assad's maternal cousins, Ehab and Eyad Makhlouf, were similarly left behind as Damascus fell to the rebels, according to a Syrian aide and Lebanese security official. The pair tried to flee by car to Lebanon but were ambushed on the way by rebels who shot Ehab dead and wounded Eyad, they said. There was no official confirmation of the death and Reuters was unable to independently verify the incident.
 
...
 
Assad's immediate family, wife Asma and their three children, were already waiting for him in the Russian capital, according to three former close aides and a senior regional official.
 
...
 
Hadi al-Bahra, the head of Syria's main opposition abroad, said that Assad didn't convey the reality of the situation to aides back home, citing a source within Assad's close circle and a regional official.
 
"He told his commanders and associates after his Moscow trip that military support was coming," Bahra added. "He was lying to them. The message he received from Moscow was negative."
 
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that Russia had spent a lot of effort in helping stabilise Syria in the past but its priority now was the conflict in Ukraine.
 
Four days after that trip, on Dec. 2, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi met with Assad in Damascus. By that time, the rebels from the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) Islamist group had taken control of Syria's second-largest city Aleppo and were sweeping southwards as government forces crumbled.
 
Assad was visibly distressed during the meeting, and conceded that his army was too weakened to mount an effective resistance, a senior Iranian diplomat told Reuters.
 
Assad never requested that Tehran deploy forces in Syria though, according to two senior Iranian officials who said he understood that Israel could use any such intervention as a reason to target Iranian forces in Syria or even Iran itself.
 
...
 
Three members of Assad's inner circle said he initially wanted to seek refuge in the United Arab Emirates, as rebels seized Aleppo and Homs and were advancing towards Damascus.
 
They said he was rebuffed by the Emiratis who feared an international backlash for harbouring a figure subject to U.S. and European sanctions for allegedly using chemical weapons in a crackdown on insurgents, accusations that Assad has rejected as a fabrication.
 
...
 
Qatar and Turkey made arrangements with HTS to facilitate Assad's exit, three of the sources said, despite official claim by both countries that they had no contacts with HTS, which is designated by the U.S. and the U.N. as a terrorist organisation.
Moscow also coordinated with neighbouring states to ensure that a Russian plane leaving Syrian airspace with Assad on board would not be intercepted or targeted, three of the sources said.

n°72056165
Maouuu
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:31:54  profilanswer
 

Sgt-D a écrit :


 
Dans le fond c'est ce qui pourrait arriver de mieux à Israël, diluer sa démographie grandissante de Juifs ultraorthodoxes dans une population plus variée, histoire de ne pas devenir une random dictature obscurantiste - comme si ça manquait dans le coin
 


Ils ont malheureusement tendance à se regrouper, et à se reproduire comme des lapins ... :/
 
Mais sinon oui ça promet  ...

n°72056169
homnibus
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:32:22  profilanswer
 

 
Ticento a écrit :

 

ce bordel [:lebagnadore:10]

 

Honnêtement je le comprends, je dirais pareil

n°72056295
kropotchni​kov
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:50:56  profilanswer
 

mantrikk a écrit :


 
Alors ça, je crois qu'ils ont le droit, sur place publique, même  :o


 
Dans l'armée allemande si ils étaient pris ensemble ils avaient le droit d’être pendus ensemble, main dans la main s'ils le souhaitaient
 
 
 


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S'il est vrai que c'est l'exception qui confirme la règle, alors une règle qui n'est faite que d'exceptions est amplement confirmée non ? Oui, sauf exceptions
n°72056306
seu
Fracass ™
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:52:43  profilanswer
 

Maouuu a écrit :


Ils ont malheureusement tendance à se regrouper, et à se reproduire comme des lapins ... :/
 
Mais sinon oui ça promet  ...


 
Tu m'étonnes ... j'ai bien l'impression que chaque zone d'influence va déclarer son indépendance. Et que bientôt il n'y aura plus vraiment de "Syrie" à proprement parler  :jap:

n°72056315
merise2
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 15:54:00  profilanswer
 

mantrikk a écrit :


 
Alors ça, je crois qu'ils ont le droit, sur place publique, même  :o


 
 
pourtant l'aut' jour dans le 11e, en pleine pause midi, les deux garcons n'ont reçu aucune flashball :o
 
en iran, par contre... :o :o

n°72056364
qoop
Musik ?
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 16:01:29  profilanswer
 

piou piou piou a écrit :

Assad's final hours in Syria: Deception, despair and flight
 

Citation :

DUBAI, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Bashar al-Assad confided in almost no one about his plans to flee Syria as his reign collapsed. Instead, aides, officials and even relatives were deceived or kept in the dark, more than a dozen people with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
Hours before he escaped for Moscow, Assad assured a meeting of about 30 army and security chiefs at the defence ministry on Saturday that Russian military support was on its way and urged ground forces to hold out, according to a commander who was present and requested anonymity to speak about the briefing.
 
...
 
Assad told his presidential office manager on Saturday when he finished work he was going home but instead headed to the airport, according to an aide in his inner circle.
 
He also called his media adviser, Buthaina Shaaban, and asked her to come to his home to write him a speech, the aide said. She arrived to find no one was there.
 
"Assad didn't even make a last stand. He didn't even rally his own troops," said Nadim Houri, executive director of the Arab Reform Initiative regional think-tank. "He let his supporters face their own fate."
 
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Assad didn't even inform his younger brother, Maher, commander of the Army's elite 4th Armoured Division, about his exit plan, according to three aides. Maher flew a helicopter to Iraq and then to Russia, one of the people said.
 
Assad's maternal cousins, Ehab and Eyad Makhlouf, were similarly left behind as Damascus fell to the rebels, according to a Syrian aide and Lebanese security official. The pair tried to flee by car to Lebanon but were ambushed on the way by rebels who shot Ehab dead and wounded Eyad, they said. There was no official confirmation of the death and Reuters was unable to independently verify the incident.
 
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Assad's immediate family, wife Asma and their three children, were already waiting for him in the Russian capital, according to three former close aides and a senior regional official.
 
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Hadi al-Bahra, the head of Syria's main opposition abroad, said that Assad didn't convey the reality of the situation to aides back home, citing a source within Assad's close circle and a regional official.
 
"He told his commanders and associates after his Moscow trip that military support was coming," Bahra added. "He was lying to them. The message he received from Moscow was negative."
 
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that Russia had spent a lot of effort in helping stabilise Syria in the past but its priority now was the conflict in Ukraine.
 
Four days after that trip, on Dec. 2, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi met with Assad in Damascus. By that time, the rebels from the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) Islamist group had taken control of Syria's second-largest city Aleppo and were sweeping southwards as government forces crumbled.
 
Assad was visibly distressed during the meeting, and conceded that his army was too weakened to mount an effective resistance, a senior Iranian diplomat told Reuters.
 
Assad never requested that Tehran deploy forces in Syria though, according to two senior Iranian officials who said he understood that Israel could use any such intervention as a reason to target Iranian forces in Syria or even Iran itself.
 
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Three members of Assad's inner circle said he initially wanted to seek refuge in the United Arab Emirates, as rebels seized Aleppo and Homs and were advancing towards Damascus.
 
They said he was rebuffed by the Emiratis who feared an international backlash for harbouring a figure subject to U.S. and European sanctions for allegedly using chemical weapons in a crackdown on insurgents, accusations that Assad has rejected as a fabrication.
 
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Qatar and Turkey made arrangements with HTS to facilitate Assad's exit, three of the sources said, despite official claim by both countries that they had no contacts with HTS, which is designated by the U.S. and the U.N. as a terrorist organisation.
Moscow also coordinated with neighbouring states to ensure that a Russian plane leaving Syrian airspace with Assad on board would not be intercepted or targeted, three of the sources said.



 
Hé Hé... peut-être que c'est a force de côtoyer des gens comme ça que Poutine a fini convaincu de pouvoir faire tomber l'Ukraine en 3j.
malheureusement pour lui il existe des chefs d'états qui ne sont pas des gros pleutres.
 
 
 

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Gauchiste
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 16:11:57  profilanswer
 

teepodavignon a écrit :


Une faction pro israel au MO [:kurt haribo]


Les druzes sont souvent persécutés par les islamistes, en Israël ils sont relativement tranquilles  [:cosmoschtroumpf]

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lonely
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 16:26:30  profilanswer
 

scOulOu a écrit :


Oui t'as raison, ils voient tellement de positif qu'ils ont déjà rasé toutes les bases militaires du pays, "au cas où" :o


 
Cela permettra surtout à Israël de pouvoir frapper en Iran en prenant le chemin le plus court.

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the veggie​ boy
Hiromatsu-sama
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 17:00:51  profilanswer
 

Latiole a écrit :

Qu'on mette en place un grand pont pr accueillir les chretiens du MO et du Pakistan, ainsi que les descendants des troupes de Alexandre le Grand (les fameux afghans et pakistanais roux ou aux yeux verts).
 
Il faut mener une politique similaire à la Turquie qui a programme de rapatriement de communautés turques pourtant installées depuis des siècles à l'étranger.


Le fait qu’ils soient roux aux yeux clairs ne signifie pas forcément qu’ils aient des origines européennes.
(Mais si y’a des études génétiques sur ces populations là, je suis preneur  :jap: )


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the veggie​ boy
Hiromatsu-sama
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 17:03:35  profilanswer
 

radio comptoir a écrit :

C’est qui les pro assad sur ce topic ?


 

radio comptoir a écrit :


Une telle entrée en matière en guise d’invitation à débattre, ça donne vachement envie d’y répondre.


 
 [:the veggie boy:7]


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the veggie​ boy
Hiromatsu-sama
Posté le 13-12-2024 à 17:14:06  profilanswer
 

asu5 a écrit :


 
La syrie partagée tah la yougoslavie. :o


c'est ptet la solution la moins pire, au final
un morcellement du pays selon les groupes ethniques/religieux


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