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Combien avez/allez vous miser pour les 180 Millions d'€


 
21.8 %
 53 votes
1.  2€
 
 
11.1 %
 27 votes
2.  4€
 
 
7.4 %
 18 votes
3.  6€
 
 
2.9 %
    7 votes
4.  8€
 
 
14.0 %
 34 votes
5.  10€
 
 
2.9 %
    7 votes
6.  Entre 10€ et 15€
 
 
2.5 %
    6 votes
7.  Entre 15 et 20€
 
 
2.9 %
    7 votes
8.  Entre 20 et 30€
 
 
5.3 %
 13 votes
9.  Plus de 30€ ?
 
 
29.2 %
 71 votes
10.  Je ne joue pas ! Je gagnerais pas !
 

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Euromillions & Loto - Enculé de FDJ, ils m'ont volé 2,20€

n°71460313
flat4power
Posté le 04-09-2024 à 14:18:44  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :
ok, c'est donc complétement nul

mood
Publicité
Posté le 04-09-2024 à 14:18:44  profilanswer
 

n°71460574
MycRub
It was a trilogy
Posté le 04-09-2024 à 14:44:48  profilanswer
 

flat4power a écrit :

ok, c'est donc complétement nul


[:luc@s] Tu dis ça parce que tu es déçu de n'avoir pas gagné 2,80€


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n°71462707
mickey51
Posté le 04-09-2024 à 18:57:14  profilanswer
 

Pour rappel, le taux de retour aux joueurs est de :
- 50% pour le tirage Euromillions (une grille à 2,2€ perd en moyenne 1,1€...)
- 60% pour Etoile plus (l'option à 1€ perd en moyenne 0,4€, c'est moins pire qu'Euromillions, mais ça reste très très faible)
- d'une valeur pouvant être de l'ordre de 83% s'il y a seulement 4 millions de grilles jouées en France (petit tirage du mardi) et de 40% s'il y en a 8 millions (gros tirage du vendredi) ... allez, disons qu'on est de l'ordre de 60% également (nota: mymillion coûte 0,3 €)
 
Donc jouer l'Etoile+ fait en moyenne perdre plus d'argent par tirage :

  • Sans Etoile +, la grille coûte 2,5€ et on perd en moyenne 1,22 €
  • Avec Etoile +, la grille coûte 3,5€ et on perd en moyenne 1,62€


Ok, il y a plus de tirages où l'on ne repart pas avec 0€ quand on joue à Etoile+, mais en moyenne ça fait perdre plus d'argent par tirage :D


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n°71463160
Electrocho​c
Posté le 04-09-2024 à 19:58:23  profilanswer
 

J'avais l'impression que c'était ça sans faire de calcul et je ne la jouais plus
Par contre je joue la seconde grille sans le numéro complémentaire au loto national !


Message édité par Electrochoc le 04-09-2024 à 19:59:08

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La meilleure façon de tuer un homme c'est de le payer à ne rien faire
n°71463522
mickey51
Posté le 04-09-2024 à 20:47:07  profilanswer
 

C'est 59% l'option 2nd tirage (et un peu plus de 55% pour le loto), donc même conclusion :o

 

Néanmoins, il vaut mieux jouer une grille loto + 2nd tirage que 2 grilles loto sans second tirage (c'est vrai aussi pour Euromillions et Etoile plus) :D

 

Enfin, il vaut mieux ne pas jouer du tout d'ailleurs !

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Message édité par mickey51 le 04-09-2024 à 20:48:49

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n°71464686
Ekid
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 00:13:45  profilanswer
 

Ça reste des options basées autour du FOMO.

 

On joue à l'Euromillions pour gagner le gros lot, pas 12€ au lieu de 10€ de temps en temps.

n°71464726
Electrocho​c
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 00:47:01  profilanswer
 

mickey51 a écrit :


Enfin, il vaut mieux ne pas jouer du tout d'ailleurs !

 

100% des gagnants on tenté leur chance aussi :o

 

Je pense que si on a les moyens ont peu jouer juste un peu. C'est un impôt qu'on veut bien payer pour rêver y'a pas de mal


Message édité par Electrochoc le 05-09-2024 à 00:48:39

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n°71464940
mickey51
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 07:42:50  profilanswer
 

Je parle purement en termes de probabilité : oui si on veut rêver à  gagner une grosse somme  en un coup, il y a peu d’équivalent mais c’est quand même en moyenne très défavorable au joueur ;)
 
Et c’est tellement improbable de gagner cette grosse somme (j’entends par là au moins 500k ou 1 million) qu’il faut bien distribuer des petits lots pour que ça motive à rejouer et par exemple proposer Etoile+ pour avoir un petit lot plus souvent et ne pas que le joueur perde espoir :o


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n°71464963
MycRub
It was a trilogy
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 07:54:47  profilanswer
 

mickey51 a écrit :

Je parle purement en termes de probabilité : oui si on veut rêver à  gagner une grosse somme  en un coup, il y a peu d’équivalent mais c’est quand même en moyenne très défavorable au joueur ;)
 
Et c’est tellement improbable de gagner cette grosse somme (j’entends par là au moins 500k ou 1 million) qu’il faut bien distribuer des petits lots pour que ça motive à rejouer et par exemple proposer Etoile+ pour avoir un petit lot plus souvent et ne pas que le joueur perde espoir :o


En effet, je pense que tu as vu clair dans leur jeu. Bravo.


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n°71465004
big e
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 08:11:01  profilanswer
 

[:clooney24]

mood
Publicité
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 08:11:01  profilanswer
 

n°71466438
flat4power
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 11:45:58  profilanswer
 

MycRub a écrit :


[:luc@s] Tu dis ça parce que tu es déçu de n'avoir pas gagné 2,80€

 

j'aurais peut-être du plus écrire illogique  :o

 

parce que l'étoile tu l'as mais comme tu as aussi comme un con trouvé un numéro ça annule ton gain


Message édité par flat4power le 05-09-2024 à 11:46:42
n°71470771
mickey51
Posté le 05-09-2024 à 19:12:46  profilanswer
 

MycRub a écrit :


En effet, je pense que tu as vu clair dans leur jeu. Bravo.


Merci pour cette reconnaissance, je n'en attendais pas moins  [:ojap]


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n°71500027
gingeroots
FUCK TRAE YOUNG
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 13:59:53  profilanswer
 

Hauts-de-Seine : un homme apprend qu’il a remporté 22 millions d’euros au Loto au retour de ses vacances
 

Citation :

La vie de ce collectionneur de pièces de deux euros, va changer à tout jamais. « Je vais arrêter de travailler et me consacrer aux voyages. Nous allons organiser un long séjour en Polynésie. Notre premier plaisir exceptionnel pour célébrer cette nouvelle vie est de passer une nuit dans un grand hôtel parisien », a-t-il déclaré.
 
S’il compte ne plus travailler, ce numismate compte bien jouer de nouveau au loto à l’avenir, dans l’espoir d’avoir un autre coup de pouce du destin. « Je vais continuer à jouer comme je l’ai toujours fait, de temps en temps, et peut-être que la chance me sourira de nouveau. »

n°71500143
roger21
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 14:13:55  profilanswer
 

y'a eu un gagnant à l'euromillions vendredi sinon, 149 millions


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n°71500194
big e
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 14:19:12  profilanswer
 

'culé va...

n°71500349
PierrotLeD​ingue
Yes we KANTE !
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 14:44:31  profilanswer
 

Ici j'ai pris des grilles au bar du coin pour l'€M et le super loto de vendredi.
J'ai pas trop la pression parce que je connais déjà l'issue  [:michel_palourdiot:3]  mais ça me fait de la peine pour les piliers du topic qui ne gagnent rien et sont toujours là  [:l'artefact:3]  

n°71500447
Maalak
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 14:56:40  profilanswer
 

Auras-tu encore plus de peine si tu gagnes et pas eux ? :o

n°71500484
gingeroots
FUCK TRAE YOUNG
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 15:02:01  profilanswer
 

Y a jamais un buraliste qui a voulu la faire à l'envers à un.e gagnant.e ? :o

n°71500489
Furorento
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 15:03:04  profilanswer
 

gingeroots a écrit :

Y a jamais un buraliste qui a voulu la faire à l'envers à un.e gagnant.e ? :o


 
Ca peut arriver mais sur les tickets à gratter seulement je crois

n°71500988
Cuistot
Maitre nageur
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 16:11:15  profilanswer
 

y'en a pas un qui avait gardé le ticket "non gagnant" ?


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n°71501607
compote po​mme poire
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 17:24:32  profilanswer
 

Quel est l'intérêt de garder un ticket non gagnant ?  [:sombrero67]

n°71501836
Cuistot
Maitre nageur
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 17:59:08  profilanswer
 

"non gagnant"  et non pas non gagnant :
dire qu'il est non gagnant alors qu'il l'est, c'est pour ça que maintenant c'est scanné devant toi avec l'écran tourné vers toi


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n°71501894
Maalak
Posté le 10-09-2024 à 18:08:12  profilanswer
 

gingeroots a écrit :

Y a jamais un buraliste qui a voulu la faire à l'envers à un.e gagnant.e ? :o


 
Je me suis toujours posé la question.
La toute première fois qu'ont été mises en place les machines de résultats automatiques, j'ai donné le ticket sans prendre le temps de vérifier les numéros.
J'ai vu inscrit sur l'afficheur : reçu non encaissable, que j'ai pris pour un non-gain. Mais lorsque j'ai demandé au buraliste qu'il me rende le ticket, il a refusé.
 
Sur le coup, je me suis dit que c'était normal, même si un peu étrange.
Ce qui m'a un peu travaillé, c'est de voir que le kiosque était fermé un mois plus tard.
 
Mais bon, vu la probabilité, c'est très probablement de mauvaises idées qu'il vaut mieux ne pas se faire et ça remonte à tellement loin de toute façon ...

n°71504323
Electrocho​c
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 03:28:42  profilanswer
 

Vendredi 13 je serai riche à moi le jackpot


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La meilleure façon de tuer un homme c'est de le payer à ne rien faire
n°71504469
big e
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 04:10:06  profilanswer
 

Les putes et la coke surtout  [:julian33:4]

n°71504470
Electrocho​c
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 04:10:45  profilanswer
 

J'aurai le pot de jacques !


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La meilleure façon de tuer un homme c'est de le payer à ne rien faire
n°71505029
fahrenheit​68220
Haut-Rhin (68)
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 08:59:39  profilanswer
 

15ème tirage consécutif sans aucun gain [:shay]

n°71506134
joams
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 11:17:23  profilanswer
 

fahrenheit68220 a écrit :

15ème tirage consécutif sans aucun gain [:shay]


c est sur la prochaine, c est la bonne :D


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n°71506817
Furorento
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 12:40:04  profilanswer
 

Electrochoc a écrit :

J'aurai le pot de jacques !


 
Et moi le pot de vin  :o

n°71507489
gingeroots
FUCK TRAE YOUNG
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 14:03:52  profilanswer
 

Bon comme je sens que l'un de nous va prochainement gagner et que je ne pense pas avoir déjà vu passer ça ici, je vous colle un post très connu de Reddit :
 

Citation :


 
Congratulations! You just won millions of dollars in the lottery! That's great.
 
Now you're fucked.
 
No really.
 
You are.
 
You're fucked.
 
If you just want to skip the biographical tales of woe of some of the math-tax protagonists, skip on down to the next comment, to see what to do in the event you win the lottery.
 
You see, it's something of an open secret that winners of obnoxiously large jackpots tend to end up badly with alarming regularity. Not the $1 million dollar winners. But anyone in the nine-figure range is at high risk. Eight-figures? Pretty likely to be screwed. Seven-figures? Yep. Painful. Perhaps this is a consequence of the sample. The demographics of lottery players might be exactly the wrong people to win large sums of money. Or perhaps money is the root of all evil. Either way, you are going to have to be careful. Don't believe me? Consider this:
 
Large jackpot winners face double digit multiples of probability versus the general population to be the victim of:
 
    ⁠Homicide (something like 20x more likely)
 
    ⁠Drug overdose
 
    ⁠Bankruptcy (how's that for irony?)
 
    ⁠Kidnapping
 
And triple digit multiples of probability versus the general population rate to be:
 
    ⁠Convicted of drunk driving
 
    ⁠The victim of Homicide (at the hands of a family member) 120x more likely in this case, ain't love grand?
 
    ⁠A defendant in a civil lawsuit
 
    ⁠A defendant in felony criminal proceedings
 
Believe it or not, your biggest enemy if you suddenly become possessed of large sums of money is... you. At least you will have the consolation of meeting your fate by your own hand. But if you can't manage it on your own, don't worry. There are any number of willing participants ready to help you start your vicious downward spiral for you. Mind you, many of these will be "friends," "friendly neighbors," or "family." Often, they won't even have evil intentions. But, as I'm sure you know, that makes little difference in the end. Most aren't evil. Most aren't malicious. Some are. None are good for you.
 
Jack Whittaker, a Johnny Cash attired, West Virginia native, is the poster boy for the dangers of a lump sum award. In 2002 Mr. Whittaker (55 years old at the time) won what was, also at the time, the largest single award jackpot in U.S. history. $315 million. At the time, he planned to live as if nothing had changed, or so he said. He was remarkably modest and decent before the jackpot, and his ship sure came in, right? Wrong.
 
Mr. Whittaker became the subject of a number of personal challenges, escalating into personal tragedies, complicated by a number of legal troubles.
 
Whittaker wasn't a typical lottery winner either. His net worth at the time of his winnings was in excess of $15 million, owing to his ownership of a successful contracting firm in West Virginia. His claim to want to live "as if nothing had changed" actually seemed plausible. He should have been well equipped for wealth. He was already quite wealthy, after all. By all accounts he was somewhat modest, low profile, generous and good natured. He should have coasted off into the sunset. Yeah. Not exactly.
 
Whittaker took the all-cash option, $170 million, instead of the annuity option, and took possession of $114 million in cash after $56 million in taxes. After that, things went south.
 
Whittaker quickly became the subject of a number of financial stalkers, who would lurk at his regular breakfast hideout and accost him with suggestions for how to spend his money. They were unemployed. No, an interview tomorrow morning wasn't good enough. They needed cash NOW. Perhaps they had a sure-fire business plan. Their daughter had cancer. A niece needed dialysis. Needless to say, Whittaker stopped going to his breakfast haunt. Eventually, they began ringing his doorbell. Sometimes in the early morning. Before long he was paying off-duty deputies to protect his family. He was accused of being heartless. Cold. Stingy.
 
Letters poured in. Children with cancer. Diabetes. MS. You name it. He hired three people to sort the mail. A detective to filter out the false claims and the con men (and women) was retained.
 
Brenda, the clerk who had sold Whittaker the ticket, was a victim of collateral damage. Whittaker had written her a check for $44,000 and bought her house, but she was by no means a millionaire. Rumors that the state routinely paid the clerk who had sold the ticket 10% of the jackpot winnings hounded her. She was followed home from work. Threatened. Assaulted.
 
Whittaker's car was twice broken into, by trusted acquaintances who watched him leave large amounts of cash in it. $500,000 and $200,000 were stolen in two separate instances. The thieves spiked Whittaker's drink with prescription drugs in the first instance. The second incident was the handiwork of his granddaughter's friends, who had been probing the girl for details on Whittaker's cash for weeks.
 
Even Whittaker's good-faith generosity was questioned. When he offered $10,000 to improve the city's water park so that it was more handicap accessible, locals complained that he spent more money at the strip club. (Amusingly this was true).
 
Whittaker invested quite a bit in his own businesses, tripled the number of people his businesses employed (making him one of the larger employers in the area) and eventually had given away $14 million to charity through a foundation he set up for the purpose. This is, of course, what you are "supposed" to do. Set up a foundation. Be careful about your charity giving. It made no difference in the end.
 
To top it all off, Whittaker had been accused of ruining a number of marriages. His money made other men look inferior, they said, wherever he went in the small West Virginia town he called home. Resentment grew quickly. And festered. Whittaker paid four settlements related to this sort of claim. Yes, you read that right. Four.
 
His family and their immediate circle were quickly the victims of odds-defying numbers of overdoses, emergency room visits and even fatalities. His granddaughter, the eighteen year old "Brandi" (who Whittaker had been giving a $2100.00 per week allowance) was found dead after having been missing for several weeks. Her death was, apparently, from a drug overdose, but Whittaker suspected foul play. Her body had been wrapped in a tarp and hidden behind a rusted-out van. Her seventeen year old boyfriend had expired three months earlier in Whittaker's vacation house, also from an overdose. Some of his friends had robbed the house after his overdose, stepping over his body to make their escape and then returning for more before stepping over his body again to leave. His parents sued for wrongful death claiming that Whittaker's loose purse strings contributed to their son's death. Amazingly, juries are prone to award damages in cases such as these. Whittaker settled. Again.
 
Even before the deaths, the local and state police had taken a special interest in Whittaker after his new-found fame. He was arrested for minor and less minor offenses many times after his winnings, despite having had a nearly spotless record before the award. Whittaker's high profile couldn't have helped him much in this regard.
 
In 18 months Whittaker had been cited for over 250 violations ranging from broken tail lights on every one of his five new cars, to improper display of renewal stickers. A lawsuit charging various police organizations with harassment went nowhere and Whittaker was hit with court costs instead.
 
Whittaker's wife filed for divorce, and in the process froze a number of his assets and the accounts of his operating companies. Caesars in Atlantic City sued him for $1.5 million to cover bounced checks, caused by the asset freeze.
 
Today Whittaker is badly in debt, and bankruptcy looms large in his future.
 
But, hey, that's just one example, right?
 
Wrong.
 
Nearly one third of multi-million dollar jackpot winners eventually declare bankruptcy. Some end up worse. To give you just a taste of the possibilities, consider the fates of:
 
• ⁠Billie Bob Harrell, Jr.: $31 million. Texas, 1997. As of 1999: Committed suicide in the wake of incessant requests for money from friends and family. “Winning the lottery is the worst thing that ever happened to me. • ⁠William âBud❠Post: $16.2 million. Pennsylvania. 1988. In 1989: Brother hires a contract murderer to kill him and his sixth wife. Landlady sued for portion of the jackpot. Convicted of assault for firing a gun at a debt collector. Declared bankruptcy. Dead in 2006. • ⁠Evelyn Adams: $5.4 million (won TWICE 1985, 1986). As of 2001: Poor and living in a trailer gave away and gambled most of her fortune. • ⁠Suzanne Mullins: $4.2 million. Virginia. 1993. As of 2004: No assets left. • ⁠Shefik Tallmadge: $6.7 million. Arizona. 1988. As of 2005: Declared bankruptcy. • ⁠Thomas Strong: $3 million. Texas. 1993. As of 2006: Died in a shoot-out with police. • ⁠Victoria Zell: $11 million. 2001. Minnesota. As of 2006: Broke. Serving seven year sentence for vehicular manslaughter. • ⁠Karen Cohen: $1 million. Illinois. 1984. As of 2000: Filed for bankruptcy. As of 2006: Sentenced to 22 months for lying to federal bankruptcy court. • ⁠Jeffrey Dampier: $20 million. Illinois. 1996. As of 2006: Kidnapped and murdered by own sister-in-law. • ⁠Ed Gildein: $8.8 million. Texas. 1993. As of 2003: Dead. Wife saddled with his debts. As of 2005: Wife sued by her own daughter who claimed that she was taking money from a trust fund and squandering cash in Las Vegas. • ⁠Willie Hurt: $3.1 million. Michigan. 1989. As of 1991: Addicted to cocaine. Divorced. Broke. Indicted for murder. • ⁠Michael Klingebiel: $2 million. As of 1998 sued by own mother claiming he failed to share the jackpot with her. • ⁠Janite Lee: $18 million. 1993. Missouri. As of 2001: Filed for bankruptcy with $700 in assets.
 
So, what the hell DO you do if you are unlucky enough to win the lottery?
 
This is the absolutely most important thing you can do right away: NOTHING.
 
Yes. Nothing.
 
DO NOT DECLARE YOURSELF THE WINNER yet.
 
Do NOT tell anyone. The urge is going to be nearly irresistible. Resist it. Trust me.
 
/ 1. IMMEDIATELY retain an attorney.
 
Get a partner from a larger, NATIONAL firm. Don't let them pawn off junior partners or associates on you. They might try, all law firms might, but insist instead that your lead be a partner who has been with the firm for awhile. Do NOT use your local attorney. Yes, I mean your long-standing family attorney who did your mother's will. Do not use the guy who fought your dry-cleaner bill. Do not use the guy you have trusted your entire life because of his long and faithful service to your family. In fact, do not use any firm that has any connection to family or friends or community. TRUST me. This is bad. You want someone who has never heard of you, any of your friends, or any member of your family. Go the closest big city and walk into one of the national firms asking for one of the "Trust and Estates" partners you have previously looked up on http://www.martindale.com from one of the largest 50 firms in the United States which has an office near you. You can look up attorneys by practice area and firm on Martindale.
 
/ 2. Decide to take the lump sum.
 
Most lotteries pay a really pathetic rate for the annuity. It usually hovers around 4.5% annual return or less, depending. It doesn't take much to do better than this, and if you have the money already in cash, rather than leaving it in the hands of the state, you can pull from the capital whenever you like. If you take the annuity you won't have access to that cash. That could be good. It could be bad. It's probably bad unless you have a very addictive personality. If you need an allowance managed by the state, it is because you didn't listen to point #1 above.
 
Why not let the state just handle it for you and give you your allowance?
 
Many state lotteries pay you your "allowance" (the annuity option) by buying U.S. treasury instruments and running the interest payments through their bureaucracy before sending it to you along with a hunk of the principal every month. You will not be beating inflation by much, if at all. There is no reason you couldn't do this yourself, if a low single-digit return is acceptable to you.
 
You aren't going to get even remotely the amount of the actual jackpot. Take our old friend Mr. Whittaker. Using Whittaker is a good model both because of the reminder of his ignominious decline, and the fact that his winning ticket was one of the larger ones on record. If his situation looks less than stellar to you, you might have a better perspective on how "large" your winnings aren't. Whittaker's "jackpot" was $315 million. He selected the lump-sum cash up-front option, which knocked off $145 million (or 46% of the total) leaving him with $170 million. That was then subject to withholding for taxes of $56 million (33%) leaving him with $114 million.
 
In general, you should expect to get about half of the original jackpot if you elect a lump sum (maybe better, it depends). After that, you should expect to lose around 33% of your already pruned figure to state and federal taxes. (Your mileage may vary, particularly if you live in a state with aggressive taxation schemes).
 
/ 3. Decide right now, how much you plan to give to family and friends.
 
This really shouldn't be more than 20% or so. Figure it out right now. Pick your number. Tell your lawyer. That's it. Don't change it. 20% of $114 million is $22.8 million. That leaves you with $91.2 million. DO NOT CONSULT WITH FAMILY when deciding how much to give to family. You are going to get advice that is badly tainted by conflict of interest, and if other family members find out that Aunt Flo was consulted and they weren't you will never hear the end of it. Neither will Aunt Flo. This might later form the basis for an allegation that Aunt Flo unduly influenced you and a lawsuit might magically appear on this basis. No, I'm not kidding. I know of one circumstance (related to a business windfall, not a lottery) where the plaintiffs WON this case.
 
Do NOT give anyone cash. Ever. Period. Just don't. Do not buy them houses. Do not buy them cars. Tell your attorney that you want to provide for your family, and that you want to set up a series of trusts for them that will total 20% of your after tax winnings. Tell him you want the trust empowered to fund higher education, some help (not a total) purchase of their first home, some provision for weddings and the like, whatever. Do NOT put yourself in the position of handing out cash. Once you do, if you stop, you will be accused of being a heartless bastard (or bitch). Trust me. It won't go well.
 
It will be easy to lose perspective. It is now the duty of your friends, family, relatives, hangers-on and their inner circle to skew your perspective, and they take this job quite seriously. Setting up a trust, a managed fund for your family that is in the double digit millions is AMAZINGLY generous. You need never have trouble sleeping because you didn't lend Uncle Jerry $20,000 in small denomination unmarked bills to start his chain of deep-fried peanut butter pancake restaurants. ("Deep'n 'nutter Restaurants" ) Your attorney will have a number of good ideas how to parse this wealth out without turning your siblings/spouse/children/grandchildren/cousins/waitresses into the latest Paris Hilton.
 
/ 4. You will be encouraged to hire an investment manager. Considerable pressure will be applied. Don't.
 
Investment managers charge fees, usually a percentage of assets. Consider this: If they charge 1% (which is low, I doubt you could find this deal, actually) they have to beat the market by 1% every year just to break even with a general market index fund. It is not worth it, and you don't need the extra return or the extra risk. Go for the index fund instead if you must invest in stocks. This is a hard rule to follow. They will come recommended by friends. They will come recommended by family. They will be your second cousin on your mother's side. Investment managers will sound smart. They will have lots of cool acronyms. They will have nice PowerPoint presentations. They might (MIGHT) pay for your shrimp cocktail lunch at TGI Friday's while reminding you how poor their side of the family is. They live for this stuff.
 
You should smile, thank them for their time, and then tell them you will get back to them next week. Don't sign ANYTHING. Don't write it on a cocktail napkin (lottery lawsuit cases have been won and lost over drunkenly scrawled cocktail napkin addition and subtraction figures with lots of zeros on them). Never call them back. Trust me. You will thank me later. This tactic, smiling, thanking people for their time, and promising to get back to people, is going to have to become familiar. You will have to learn to say no gently, without saying the word "no." It sounds underhanded. Sneaky. It is. And its part of your new survival strategy. I mean the word "survival" quite literally.
 
Get all this figured out BEFORE you claim your winnings. They aren't going anywhere. Just relax.
 
/ 5. If you elect to be more global about your paranoia, use between 20.00% and 33.00% of what you have not decided to commit to a family fund IMMEDIATELY to purchase a combination of longer term U.S. treasuries (5 or 10 year are a good idea) and perhaps even another G7 treasury instrument. This is your safety net. You will be protected... from yourself.
 
You are going to be really tempted to starting being a big investor. You are going to be convinced that you can double your money in Vegas with your awesome Roulette system/by funding your friend's amazing idea to sell Lemming dung/buying land for oil drilling/by shorting the North Pole Ice market (global warming, you know). This all sounds tempting because "Even if I lose it all I still have $XX million left! Anyone could live on that comfortably for the rest of their life." Yeah, except for 33% of everyone who won the lottery.
 
You're not going to double your money, so cool it. Let me say that again. You're not going to double your money, so cool it. Right now, you'll get around 3.5% on the 10 year U.S. treasury. With $18.2 million (20% of $91.2 mil after your absurdly generous family gift) invested in those you will pull down $638,400 per year. If everything else blows up, you still have that, and you will be in the top 1% of income in the United States. So how about you not fuck with it. Eh? And that's income that is damn safe. If we get to the point where the United States defaults on those instruments, we are in far worse shape than worrying about money.
 
If you are really paranoid, you might consider picking another G7 or otherwise mainstream country other than the U.S. according to where you want to live if the United States dissolves into anarchy or Britney Spears is elected to the United States Senate. Put some fraction in something like Swiss Government Bonds at 3%. If the Swiss stop paying on their government debt, well, then you know money really means nothing anywhere on the globe anymore. I'd study small field sustainable agriculture if you think this is a possibility. You might have to start feeding yourself.
 
/ 6. That leaves, say, 80% of $91.2 million or $72.9 million.
 
Here is where things start to get less clear. Personally, I think you should dump half of this, or $36.4 million, into a boring S&P 500 index fund. Find something with low fees. You are going to be constantly tempted to retain "sophisticated" advisers who charge "nominal fees." Don't. Period. Even if you lose every other dime, you have $638,400 per year you didn't have before that will keep coming in until the United States falls into chaos. Fuck advisers and their fees. Instead, drop your $36.4 million in the market in a low fee vehicle. Unless we have an unprecedented downturn the likes of which the United States has never seen, should return around 7.00% or so over the next 10 years. You should expect to touch not even a dime of this money for 10 or 15 or even 20 years. In 20 years $36.4 million could easily become $115 million.
 
/ 7. So you have put a safety net in place.
 
You have provided for your family beyond your wildest dreams. And you still have $36.4 million in "cash." You know you will be getting $638,400 per year unless the capital building is burning, you don't ever need to give anyone you care about cash, since they are provided for generously and responsibly (and can't blow it in Vegas) and you have a HUGE nest egg that is growing at market rates. (Given the recent dip, you'll be buying in at great prices for the market). What now? Whatever you want. Go ahead and burn through $36.4 million in hookers and blow if you want. You've got more security than 99% of the country. A lot of it is in trusts so even if you are sued your family will live well, and progress across generations. If your lawyer is worth his salt (I bet he is) then you will be insulated from most lawsuits anyhow. Buy a nice house or two, make sure they aren't stupid investments though. Go ahead and be an angel investor and fund some startups, but REFUSE to do it for anyone you know. (Friends and money, oil and water - Michael Corleone) Play. Have fun. You earned it by putting together the shoe sizes of your whole family on one ticket and winning the jackpot.


 
Pour ceux qui ne parlent pas anglais, go deepl.com :o

n°71507540
dark oopa
PSN: Dark_Oopa
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 14:09:36  profilanswer
 

j'ai lu que le premier truc, suffit de commencer par ne aps donner son nom à la TV...

n°71508381
Furorento
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 15:31:57  profilanswer
 

T’aurais pu le traduire quand meme  :o

n°71508523
compote po​mme poire
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 15:48:10  profilanswer
 

Je lirai l'intégralité de ce post quand je serai en chemin pour la FDJ pour récupérer le pactole  :O

n°71508615
gingeroots
FUCK TRAE YOUNG
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 16:00:53  profilanswer
 

Furorento a écrit :

T’aurais pu le traduire quand meme  :o


OK flemmard :o

Citation :

Félicitations ! Vous venez de gagner des millions de dollars à la loterie ! C'est super.
 
Maintenant, tu es baisé.
 
Non, vraiment.
 
Tu l'es.
 
Vous êtes dans la merde.
 
Si vous voulez juste passer les récits biographiques des malheurs de certains des protagonistes de l'impôt mathématique, passez au commentaire suivant, pour voir ce qu'il faut faire au cas où vous gagneriez à la loterie.
 
C'est un secret de polichinelle que les gagnants de gros lots ont tendance à finir mal avec une régularité alarmante. Pas les gagnants d'un million de dollars. Mais tous ceux qui gagnent des sommes à neuf chiffres courent un risque élevé. Un montant à huit chiffres ? Il y a de fortes chances qu'ils se fassent avoir. Sept chiffres ? Oui. Douloureux. Il s'agit peut-être d'une conséquence de l'échantillon. Les caractéristiques démographiques des joueurs de loterie ne sont peut-être pas les bonnes pour gagner de grosses sommes d'argent. Ou peut-être l'argent est-il la racine de tous les maux. Quoi qu'il en soit, vous devrez être prudent. Vous ne me croyez pas ? Pensez-y :
 
Les gagnants de gros lots ont deux fois plus de chances que le reste de la population d'être victimes de.. :
 
    d'un homicide (environ 20 fois plus)
 
    d'une overdose de drogue
 
    Faillite (quelle ironie !)
 
    Enlèvement
 
Et d'une probabilité à trois chiffres par rapport à la population générale d'être :
 
    Condamné pour conduite en état d'ivresse
 
    Victime d'un homicide (aux mains d'un membre de la famille) : 120 fois plus de chances dans ce cas, l'amour n'est-il pas grandiose ?
 
    Défendeur dans un procès civil
 
    Défendeur dans une procédure pénale
 
Croyez-le ou non, votre plus grand ennemi si vous vous retrouvez soudainement en possession de grosses sommes d'argent, c'est... vous. Vous aurez au moins la consolation de subir votre sort de votre propre main. Mais si vous n'y arrivez pas tout seul, ne vous inquiétez pas. Il existe un grand nombre de participants prêts à vous aider à entamer votre spirale infernale à votre place. Attention, il s'agit souvent d'« amis », de « voisins amicaux » ou de « membres de la famille ». Souvent, ils n'ont même pas de mauvaises intentions. Mais, comme vous le savez certainement, cela ne change pas grand-chose en fin de compte. La plupart ne sont pas méchants. La plupart ne sont pas malveillants. Certains le sont. Aucun n'est bon pour vous.
 
Jack Whittaker, originaire de Virginie-Occidentale et vêtu comme Johnny Cash, est l'exemple type des dangers d'une indemnité forfaitaire. En 2002, M. Whittaker (55 ans à l'époque) a remporté ce qui était, également à l'époque, le plus gros jackpot de l'histoire des États-Unis. Il s'agit de 315 millions de dollars. À l'époque, il avait l'intention de vivre comme si rien n'avait changé, du moins c'est ce qu'il disait. Il était remarquablement modeste et décent avant le jackpot, et son bateau a bien avancé, n'est-ce pas ? Il n'en est rien.
 
M. Whittaker est devenu l'objet d'un certain nombre de défis personnels, qui se sont transformés en tragédies personnelles, compliquées par un certain nombre de problèmes juridiques.
 
M. Whittaker n'était pas non plus un gagnant de loterie typique. Au moment où il a gagné, son patrimoine net dépassait les 15 millions de dollars, car il était propriétaire d'une entreprise de sous-traitance prospère en Virginie-Occidentale. Sa volonté de vivre « comme si rien n'avait changé » semblait plausible. Il aurait dû être bien équipé pour la richesse. Il était déjà très riche
 
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n°71508645
ledenez
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 16:04:49  profilanswer
 

dark oopa a écrit :

j'ai lu que le premier truc, suffit de commencer par ne aps donner son nom à la TV...


Aux US c'est public il me semble, tu ne peux pas t'anonymiser comme en France.

n°71508652
Furorento
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 16:05:45  profilanswer
 

Il n’y a pas tout sur ta traduction :o

n°71508821
gingeroots
FUCK TRAE YOUNG
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 16:29:04  profilanswer
 

Furorento a écrit :

Il n’y a pas tout sur ta traduction :o


Tu fais le reste morceau par morceau ou alors tu gagnes au loto et tu te payes un interprète :o


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BING BONG
n°71510672
-JLL-
Wait ... What ?
Posté le 11-09-2024 à 20:48:39  profilanswer
 

ledenez a écrit :


Aux US c'est public il me semble, tu ne peux pas t'anonymiser comme en France.


Citation :

Bon comme je sens que l'un de nous va prochainement gagner et que je ne pense pas avoir déjà vu passer ça ici


:o


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Une fois, à une exécution, je m'approche d'une fille. Pour rigoler, je lui fais : « Vous êtes de la famille du pendu ? »... C'était sa sœur. Bonjour l'approche !
n°71512298
as253
Loucheur averti
Posté le 12-09-2024 à 09:41:02  profilanswer
 

ledenez a écrit :


Aux US c'est public il me semble, tu ne peux pas t'anonymiser comme en France.


 
Les personnes bien accompagnees/renseignees savent que la premiere chose a faire est d'aller voir un cabinet d'avocat pour creer un trust. Le nom des constituants ne figure que dans les statuts et n'aura pas a etre rendu public. Et tu appelles le trust comme tu veux ('The HFR Trust' par exemple).  
 
 
A part ca, gain de 19.30 sur ma grille hier soir  :ange:

n°71513832
Furorento
Posté le 12-09-2024 à 13:07:36  profilanswer
 

L’article esr bien sympathique mais ca concerne les Ameriques je doute que les conseils soient valables en France…

n°71514376
cisko
Posté le 12-09-2024 à 14:21:39  profilanswer
 

Furorento a écrit :

L’article esr bien sympathique mais ca concerne les Ameriques je doute que les conseils soient valables en France…


 
la partie investir le gros dans un etf pépère est pertinente :jap:
 
le reste est surtout lié au fait que ton nom/photo soit affichés sur toutes les TV des gagnants là bas  [:pierre242]

mood
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