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[ TU ] World of Warcraft Midnight : Pré-patch le 21 Janvier

n°5687760
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 08:48:47  profilanswer
 

Reprise du message précédent :

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Shadowstep will no longer be usable while rooted


 
 :ange:

mood
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 08:48:47  profilanswer
 

n°5687844
onlyrider
et le monde sera meilleur...
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 09:39:11  profilanswer
 

ozidivision a écrit :

7ème alterac, 7 ème défaite.
Quel jeu de merde niveau pvp.  
Quand t'es allié t'es condamné à la loose c'est vraiment regrettable.


 
Ca doit etre le cas uniquement sur ton serveur  :ouch:


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n°5687885
petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 09:54:16  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :

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Enraged Assault redesigned, now Enraged Regeneration: You regenerate 30% of your total health over 10 sec. This ability consumes all Enrage effects and prevents any from affecting you for the full duration. Must be enraged to use. Cost 15 rage, 3 min cooldown.


[:bien]


Rha bon c'est bien pour le war en BG mais je sais pas s'il avait besoin de ça en arène ^^

cpm a écrit :


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Shadow Dance redesigned, now allows the use of Sap, Garrote, Ambush, Cheap Shot, Premeditation, Pickpocket and Disarm Trap regardless of being stealthed. Those abilities all gain a cooldown of 2 sec. Lasts 10 sec.

[:aras qui rit]


Jcapte pas le changement là ?

n°5687887
disq8

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 09:55:30  profilanswer
 

petoulachi a écrit :


Jcapte pas le changement là ?


 
j crois que c est le "regardless of being stealthed"

n°5687888
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 09:55:42  profilanswer
 


petoulachi a écrit :


Jcapte pas le changement là ?


Toutes les 2 minutes, pendant 10 secondes, le rogue 51 sub pourra sap, garrot, ambush, cs, premed, etc... sans être furtif :o

n°5687898
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 09:59:48  answer
 

Bah si il faudra etre furtif, la shadow dance c'est pas une succession de vanish ?
Ce qui veut dire une succession de passages fufus.

n°5687904
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:01:26  profilanswer
 

C'était  
 
C'est marqué dans le quote :o


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pak2kro
n°5687907
petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:02:04  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :


Toutes les 2 minutes, pendant 10 secondes, le rogue 51 sub pourra sap, garrot, ambush, cs, premed, etc... sans être furtif :o


Ya quand même la gestion de l'énergie.
 
M'enfin j'avais lu je crois qu'avec le lag la shadow dance était pas top, car il fallait placer les techniques pendant le petit laps de temps fufu. Ca donne un CC de plus au rogue, ou un gros gros burst dans ta tronche, toutes les 2 minutes. C'est vrai que ça lui manquait pas mal.

n°5687911
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:04:10  profilanswer
 

petoulachi a écrit :


Ya quand même la gestion de l'énergie.
 
M'enfin j'avais lu je crois qu'avec le lag la shadow dance était pas top, car il fallait placer les techniques pendant le petit laps de temps fufu. Ca donne un CC de plus au rogue, ou un gros gros burst dans ta tronche, toutes les 2 minutes. C'est vrai que ça lui manquait pas mal.

Avec sap et ambush qui ne coûtent plus très cher ça va. Suffit d'attendre d'être full énergie et c'est bon
 
T'es sérieux là ? :D
Y'a pas de :o pour ironiser :o


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n°5687920
petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:06:39  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :

Avec sap et ambush qui ne coûtent plus très cher ça va. Suffit d'attendre d'être full énergie et c'est bon
 
T'es sérieux là ? :D
Y'a pas de :o pour ironiser :o


Bah là maintenant ya même plus besoin de :o pour le rogue, il en est à un autre stade, genre  [:o-oo_oo]  [:greg2]

mood
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:06:39  profilanswer
 

n°5687922
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:07:21  answer
 

cpm a écrit :

Avec sap et ambush qui ne coûtent plus très cher ça va. Suffit d'attendre d'être full énergie et c'est bon
 
T'es sérieux là ? :D
Y'a pas de :o pour ironiser :o


meme si ca va me saouler de repex encore un rogue, je vais vraiment en monter un pour LK :o

n°5687925
petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:07:50  profilanswer
 

La nouvelle spé masse est sympa aussi, 15% ignor armor, ça augure du tout bon pour nos amis les cac à la S8 quand il y aura les masses 2H à 350dps :o

n°5687932
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:09:37  profilanswer
 

petoulachi a écrit :


Bah là maintenant ya même plus besoin de :o pour le rogue, il en est à un autre stade, genre  [:o-oo_oo]  [:greg2]


Oui, enfin il perd le talent -50% degats recus si il cible pas l'attaquant c'est déjà ça.
Du coup les rogues deep sub n'auront pas le -30% snare
 
Sinon pour le coup des dots qui vont peut-être crit ça peut être pas mal, même si on va crit 0 dot à cause de la résilience ils vont sûrement virer le -X% dégâts dot de la rési :o
 
T'aimes bien faire 36x le même perso :D


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n°5687939
petoulachi
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:12:35  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :


Oui, enfin il perd le talent -50% degats recus si il cible pas l'attaquant c'est déjà ça.
Du coup les rogues deep sub n'auront pas le -30% snare


Si tu l'dis :D J'ai pas trop trop matté les nouveautés rogue, donc là tu me parles chinois :D

cpm a écrit :


Sinon pour le coup des dots qui vont peut-être crit ça peut être pas mal, même si on va crit 0 dot à cause de la résilience ils vont sûrement virer le -X% dégâts dot de la rési :o


Source ? Tu parles du changement pour SP sur mindflay ? Parce que je verrai plus pour démo le drain de vie/mana qui peut crit lui aussi, j'ai du mal à croire qu'ils mettent du crit sur nos dots.
 

n°5687943
dajay
Compassion leads to happiness
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:13:45  profilanswer
 


 
C'est un nerf en fait aussi, ils seront targettable tout le long, alors qu'en ShadowDance, vala [:greg2]


Message édité par dajay le 03-09-2008 à 10:21:54
n°5687944
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:14:33  profilanswer
 

petoulachi a écrit :


Source ? Tu parles du changement pour SP sur mindflay ? Parce que je verrai plus pour démo le drain de vie/mana qui peut crit lui aussi, j'ai du mal à croire qu'ils mettent du crit sur nos dots.
 


D'où mon "peut-être", on verra ce qu'ils font du parent pauvre de wotlk !


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n°5687955
bountard
Bounty pour les intimes
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:17:15  profilanswer
 

pak2kro a écrit :

Deskira :

Citation :

We'll be increasing Mind Flay's coefficient (base) by roughly 30% to start, and allow Mind Flay to crit. We may also do some tuneups to the Shadow tree as well, but as other players have mentioned the tree is really not the problem, just the base spells not scaling.
 
Hopefully we can get the new Mind Flay in the next build, but allowing it to crit involves rebuilding the spell completely, which may take some time.


 
Source


 
Raaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh! C'est du tout bon pour le SP ça. Actuellement c'est de combien déjà? 43...57% ? Si ça peut crit en plus ... enfin reste que le SP restera à 50% de dégâts en crit contrairement aux autres ... (sauf le 51+ affli).
Reste à voir l'impact sur les dégâts avec la nouvelle build histoire d'être sûr de ne pas gagner 50 dps seulement.

n°5687957
VinZ13

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:17:28  profilanswer
 


 
go delete plutot ^^


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n°5688024
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:34:45  answer
 


cpm a écrit :


T'aimes bien faire 36x le même perso :D


vi :|
ceci dit je m'en passerai :o
 
pour le sp ils ont l'air conscient du manque de sclaing c'est deja ca, ce serait bien s'ils jettaient un oeil sur la spé disc et holy parce que la spa folichon :/

n°5688027
dajay
Compassion leads to happiness
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:36:21  profilanswer
 

Bon, ben la communauté rogue à pas l'air heureuse du patch. Et c'est un euphémisme.

n°5688036
PunkRod
Digital Mohawk
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:38:13  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :


Citation :

Shadow Dance redesigned, now allows the use of Sap, Garrote, Ambush, Cheap Shot, Premeditation, Pickpocket and Disarm Trap regardless of being stealthed. Those abilities all gain a cooldown of 2 sec. Lasts 10 sec.


[:aras qui rit]


Reste plus qu'à faire comme mutilate, ambush de face et ça sera enfin intéressant
 :ange:  
 

professionnal a écrit :


Citation :

Shadowstep will no longer be usable while rooted


 :ange:


Ils vont revenir en arrière, c'est pas possible de laisser passer ça  :o

n°5688038
zobbitenfe​r

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:39:27  profilanswer
 

dajay a écrit :

Bon, ben la communauté rogue à pas l'air heureuse du patch. Et c'est un euphémisme.


 :??:


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n°5688054
petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:44:34  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :


D'où mon "peut-être", on verra ce qu'ils font du parent pauvre de wotlk !


Tu verrais des dots qui peuvent crit alors ? Ca me parait un peu trop, sinon les SP vont réclamer la même chose. Là ils donnent le mindflay façon arcane missile, pour les démos heuuuuu des dots qui heal le pet ?  [:boidleau]

n°5688058
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:45:28  profilanswer
 

petoulachi a écrit :


Tu verrais des dots qui peuvent crit alors ? Ca me parait un peu trop, sinon les SP vont réclamer la même chose. Là ils donnent le mindflay façon arcane missile, pour les démos heuuuuu des dots qui heal le pet ?  [:boidleau]


Je sais pas trop, enfin bon ça changera pas le fait que le démo se fait trishot par les DK & co :o


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pak2kro
n°5688061
_deskira_

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:46:49  profilanswer
 

mind flay c'est qd meme le seul spell avec un coef. de spell power qui était fixé en dur dans le code ...

n°5688069
Morgul
Dillon, you son of a bitch!
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:49:53  profilanswer
 

PunkRod a écrit :


Ils vont revenir en arrière, c'est pas possible de laisser passer ça  :o


 
C'est une blague entre le CD de CoS qui passe à deux minutes et le shadowstep qui vire plus les root, on va se retrouver comme les war contre des mages/drood à être comme des cons collés au sol à se faire fraguer à distance...

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Message édité par Morgul le 03-09-2008 à 12:24:29
n°5688073
d750

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:51:05  profilanswer
 

dajay a écrit :


Pour War ou pour le MMO "Myirllife" ? Ca a un très gros impact pour vous ?  
 


 
pour l'irl oui, c'était un des 4 MT, donc il en reste 3 ce qui suffit pour sunwell mais c'est limite, suffit d'un absent et on raid pas.

n°5688074
cpm

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 10:51:10  profilanswer
 

Morgul a écrit :

C'est une blague entre le CD de CoS qui passe à deux minutes et le shadowstep qui vire plus les root, on va se retrouver comme les war contre des mages/drood à être comme des cons collés au sol à se faire fraguer à distance...


Bienvenue dans le monde des warriors, tu verras c'est fun :D
(ShS n'a jamais viré les roots)

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Message édité par cpm le 03-09-2008 à 10:52:44

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dajay
Compassion leads to happiness
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:01:09  profilanswer
 

Je me devais de quoter ce post de qualité pour ici, topic qui résume bien nos 4 dernières années de discussions, je vous présente donc :  
 
LE TOP 15 DES SUJETS A WHINE SUR WOW :love:
 

Citation :

15. S4 at 1500 rating
I'm not sure if these topics were since beginning of S1, but at least they are more popular around S3-S4 when PR got introduced. Its most commonly started by some 1400-1500 player who only plays "with friends" or "for fun" or both. The complaining is obvious, they keep getting highly better geared people against them and they think it's only damn reason why they keep losing. The best thing about this that some people actually believe it’s all about S4 shoulders crazy 50 extra hp when it comes to arena.  
 
Topic title examples:  
S3 in ~1500's  
2500 Team in 1500 bracket  
Meeting full S4 players at 1500  
 
14. Multiboxing
Months after multiboxing became more popular in battlegrounds, people start getting mad at these "cheating people who uses bots and other hax to only beat other people since they can’t do it by their own". Loads of controversy was going on. They blame them having absolutely no skill, only paying 5x more account money just to kill some people. Then people started to solve this entire thing pasting parts from Wow's Terms of Service. After that some GM (can't remember name) came in and actually said that multiboxing is perfectly legal if multiboxer controls all his characters by himself.  
 
Topic title examples:  
Multiboxing!  
MULTIBOXING!  
@Multiboxing  
 
13. Personal Rating
It wasn't surprise that loads of conversation is going to flow in when at some point in S2 they announced that S3 will have PR. The "Casual" people quickly reacted to this and wanted to kill this madness. Some people even tried serious methods: "I will quit if PR comes". Now not far away from now, they extended whole PR to next level, biggest difference would be PR on honor items. And that's what started the chain reaction. Whole PVP forums were basically on fire, because the "casual" people blamed different things why they would never get those PR items.
 
Topic title examples:  
Personal rating making players quit
Season 4 Personal Rating
WTF JOKE Rating Requirement on new Honor Gear.
 
12. Engineering being bad
The constant whining about engineering how they don't have enough schematics, or schematics aren't useful at all, or schematics isn’t cool enough, or engineering is way too expensive to level up, or engineering is so overpowered and list goes on. Each time Blizzard releases something to engineers it’s either crap or not enough.  
 
Topic title examples:  
Engineering!!!!!!!!!!!  
Engineers! A must read. Fix Engineering /sign  
[Eng] New repair bot is too expensive  
 
11. Attunements
Oh I just love attunements. I guess everybody remembers what happened to SSC and TK? After that Hyjal and Black Temple? Heroic keys from revered to honored? Karazhan? Blizzard is continuing the trend and nothing will stop them removing the concept of attunements. Some people like it, some people not. Mix them up into same forums and they will catch on fire again.  
 
Topic title examples:  
take out attunements to Hyjal / BT  
Sunwell should require attunement  
do NOT remove Bt / Hyjal attunements  
 
10. Gnome Death Knight
In my opinion this is one of the most hilarious flame wars ever. The fun thing about this is that some people are actually being serious about this. Most of these peoples are lore boys and also they don't allow Arthas to die in expansion, btw.  
 
Topic title examples:  
No Gnome Death Knights!  
99% of dks are gonna be gnomes  
Who will quit Wow if gnome DKs are allowed  
 
9. RNG
The most dreaded evil hanging within all pvp scene (even more at arena). Have been there since forever but only lately when arena became more popular, this was more concern than anything. 98% of people agree of removal of RNG (Neilyo at first place) and Blizzard is definitely going to right direction in WOTLK.  
 
Topic title examples:  
Moving in right direction with RNG stuns.  
WoTLK mainly based on RNG?  
Fix Resists and RNG.
 
8. Honor system
Oh the battleground honor grinding, the best thing in the game. It's definitely much much much casual friendly than old system (bot friendly too). The best thing about honor system is also that it even rewards you from sitting in the BG. And other good thing is that you are basically required to sit 100h in AV to get gear to compete in arena. I don't know anybody who likes current honor system, but I guess some casuals do.
 
Topic title examples:  
About the honor grind  
Honor grinding  
The honor grind (constructive)
 
7. Casual VS Hardcore
The old grudge wars. It has 2 very opposite teams, the Casual people who play only 5h in a week and have gf/family/life etc and the Hardcore’s who play over 10h in a day and have no life at all. One of the most original whining stuff was back in PVP ranks. Raiding also holds a trophy of most casual vs. hardcore fights ever. After all, it was casual people who won entire war since huge player base of WoW is about casuals. Nowadays not many people complain about stuff like this anymore since in TBC everything in this game got more casual friendly in different ways (Dailies, arenas, no attunements) etc.  
 
Topic title examples:
Since when did Casuals *DESERVE* S4 GEAR?!
Casual vs Non casual
"Casuals" arnt casual
 
6. Racials
Will of the Forsaken? Perception? Stoneskin? Orc stun resist? 5% Tauren hp? Shadowmeld? This is ongoing topic from very beginning of WoW. First it was WoTF and now it’s mostly perception. Large amount of people agree that racials should be completely removed in arena, yet Blizzard have no announcements on this.  
 
Topic title examples:
@Racial removal
Racials are NOT equal
Perception and All Racials
 
5. Alterac Valley
AV needs own entry in top 15 list. It happens to be only battleground that isn't mirrored in WoW and that causes problems. Hordes think they never win AV, but so do alliances. People have made insane essays with dozens of pictures how Horde/Ally have immense advantages against each other. There have been NPC imbalances and geometry imbalances. Other whines are about how AV isn’t so cool anymore like when it was years ago when you had korrak and stuff.  
 
Topic title examples:
Horde STFU about AV
Heroic Alterac Valley
Alterac Valley map flow - Sun Tzu
 
4. Resilience
Ever heard how resilience is going to kill PVP, even kill wow? Ever since resi came out, there was loads of complaint how it destroys loads of specs. Some people think resi is like god given, some quit wow because of it. In WOTLK forums they have people petitioning removal of resilience, reason of worst wow addition ever. Now resilience has been extended to include mana drains and DOTs. That caused even more war like it hasn't been enough.
 
Topic title examples:
The ansewer to resilience?
resilience, good or bad?
Campaing for no resilience in WOTLK
 
3. Melee (armor penetration)
Most current subjects are S3 and S4 melee domination. Loads of people getting sick of 2 melee teams at 3v3 or even 3 melee teams in 5v5. This happened when armor pen came out available to PVP gear, ever since PVP forums have been filled how overpowered melees are. Whiners are mostly clothies who are getting trained in arena.
 
Topic title examples:
melee and PVP
Melee in S4
Melee in arena
 
2. Twinks
This has been huge deal since more people leveled up to 60. People getting bored to their main and pooled loads of cash to tune up their low level to outperform everybody in lower bracket of BGs just having insane gear. There have been HUGE whine topics about them just like multiboxing, how they require no skill, how doing that is cheating, how people at those brackets without twink gear have no chance and list goes on. Blizzard has been answering this for some extent, creating enchants for only level 35 and up. The twink flaming haven't still gone much extinct, instead it’s going to be bigger. In some battlegroups people even have twink arenas and premade matches in BGs and stuff. The recent trend may be twinking level 60s to AV.
 
Topic title examples:
Twinks - Scum of Azeroth
Twinks NEED to be stopped
Twinks - an unnecessary pain for new players?
Twinks ruined all low BGs
 
1. Class balance
Now that wasn't great surprise isn't it? Everybody is expecting this being nro. 1 since it's so obvious. Every day you get tons new topics whining something about some class. Years behind you had overpowered rogues and shamans, later you got op warlocks and warriors and recently druids. Rogues and Warriors has been pretty top choice since forever. Warriors maybe not that much since they do **** without support. This subject has been there since release and also in like every good game there. The basic life cycle: People get defeated by class x, they go to forums and whine about it and then get countered by guys who plays that class. Then people suggests fixes to issues, blizzard some time fixes it and now class y whines about class x changes since it will break other things etc etc. This is everliving subject, it will never die away since it is impossible to balance game perfectly.  
 
Since blizz started to ban people writing NERF topics, people started to disguise their nerf whines. One of the examples would be like "What class is easiest to play" or "What class is hardest to play" etc. One of the excuses can be also "Its not fun being r4ped by rog, plz fix".  
 
Topic title examples:
Water shield, does it need a nerf?
The state of mages in PVP
Most easiest class to play
Hunter + Druid = No skill
Please fix resto druids
Buff warriors even more
Sprint vs intercept
Mortal strike needs to be toned down
PALADINS COMPLETELY BALANCED


 
Source : http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/gam [...] 381456587/

n°5688114
petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:01:26  profilanswer
 

cpm a écrit :


(ShS n'a jamais viré les roots)


Ca les vire pas mais tu peux te TP avec tes roots collés aux pieds, j'ai toujours trouvé ça ridicule d'ailleurs :D

n°5688207
Aranthys
Gâche sa vie avec son Pwôk
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:32:39  profilanswer
 

Pour shadow dance, c'est surtout largement moins imba : Le voleur ne vanish plus, il reste donc susceptible aux CC & au focus.
Deja qu'un spé subti, ca vanish comme un cochon, empechant le focus, ca aurait réellement été n'importe quoi :)
 
Et pour SS : Yes ! fini les voleurs qui utilisent shadowstep comme un anti-roots, et genre qui se téléportent avec leurs root encore aux pieds.


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n°5688233
bothary
pas barbare, tasmanien !!
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:40:21  profilanswer
 

dajay a écrit :

Je me devais de quoter ce post de qualité pour ici, topic qui résume bien nos 4 dernières années de discussions, je vous présente donc :  
 
LE TOP 15 DES SUJETS A WHINE SUR WOW :love:
 

Citation :

15. S4 at 1500 rating
I'm not sure if these topics were since beginning of S1, but at least they are more popular around S3-S4 when PR got introduced. Its most commonly started by some 1400-1500 player who only plays "with friends" or "for fun" or both. The complaining is obvious, they keep getting highly better geared people against them and they think it's only damn reason why they keep losing. The best thing about this that some people actually believe it’s all about S4 shoulders crazy 50 extra hp when it comes to arena.  
 
Topic title examples:  
S3 in ~1500's  
2500 Team in 1500 bracket  
Meeting full S4 players at 1500  
 
14. Multiboxing
Months after multiboxing became more popular in battlegrounds, people start getting mad at these "cheating people who uses bots and other hax to only beat other people since they can’t do it by their own". Loads of controversy was going on. They blame them having absolutely no skill, only paying 5x more account money just to kill some people. Then people started to solve this entire thing pasting parts from Wow's Terms of Service. After that some GM (can't remember name) came in and actually said that multiboxing is perfectly legal if multiboxer controls all his characters by himself.  
 
Topic title examples:  
Multiboxing!  
MULTIBOXING!  
@Multiboxing  
 
13. Personal Rating
It wasn't surprise that loads of conversation is going to flow in when at some point in S2 they announced that S3 will have PR. The "Casual" people quickly reacted to this and wanted to kill this madness. Some people even tried serious methods: "I will quit if PR comes". Now not far away from now, they extended whole PR to next level, biggest difference would be PR on honor items. And that's what started the chain reaction. Whole PVP forums were basically on fire, because the "casual" people blamed different things why they would never get those PR items.
 
Topic title examples:  
Personal rating making players quit
Season 4 Personal Rating
WTF JOKE Rating Requirement on new Honor Gear.
 
12. Engineering being bad
The constant whining about engineering how they don't have enough schematics, or schematics aren't useful at all, or schematics isn’t cool enough, or engineering is way too expensive to level up, or engineering is so overpowered and list goes on. Each time Blizzard releases something to engineers it’s either crap or not enough.  
 
Topic title examples:  
Engineering!!!!!!!!!!!  
Engineers! A must read. Fix Engineering /sign  
[Eng] New repair bot is too expensive  
 
11. Attunements
Oh I just love attunements. I guess everybody remembers what happened to SSC and TK? After that Hyjal and Black Temple? Heroic keys from revered to honored? Karazhan? Blizzard is continuing the trend and nothing will stop them removing the concept of attunements. Some people like it, some people not. Mix them up into same forums and they will catch on fire again.  
 
Topic title examples:  
take out attunements to Hyjal / BT  
Sunwell should require attunement  
do NOT remove Bt / Hyjal attunements  
 
10. Gnome Death Knight
In my opinion this is one of the most hilarious flame wars ever. The fun thing about this is that some people are actually being serious about this. Most of these peoples are lore boys and also they don't allow Arthas to die in expansion, btw.  
 
Topic title examples:  
No Gnome Death Knights!  
99% of dks are gonna be gnomes  
Who will quit Wow if gnome DKs are allowed  
 
9. RNG
The most dreaded evil hanging within all pvp scene (even more at arena). Have been there since forever but only lately when arena became more popular, this was more concern than anything. 98% of people agree of removal of RNG (Neilyo at first place) and Blizzard is definitely going to right direction in WOTLK.  
 
Topic title examples:  
Moving in right direction with RNG stuns.  
WoTLK mainly based on RNG?  
Fix Resists and RNG.
 
8. Honor system
Oh the battleground honor grinding, the best thing in the game. It's definitely much much much casual friendly than old system (bot friendly too). The best thing about honor system is also that it even rewards you from sitting in the BG. And other good thing is that you are basically required to sit 100h in AV to get gear to compete in arena. I don't know anybody who likes current honor system, but I guess some casuals do.
 
Topic title examples:  
About the honor grind  
Honor grinding  
The honor grind (constructive)
 
7. Casual VS Hardcore
The old grudge wars. It has 2 very opposite teams, the Casual people who play only 5h in a week and have gf/family/life etc and the Hardcore’s who play over 10h in a day and have no life at all. One of the most original whining stuff was back in PVP ranks. Raiding also holds a trophy of most casual vs. hardcore fights ever. After all, it was casual people who won entire war since huge player base of WoW is about casuals. Nowadays not many people complain about stuff like this anymore since in TBC everything in this game got more casual friendly in different ways (Dailies, arenas, no attunements) etc.  
 
Topic title examples:
Since when did Casuals *DESERVE* S4 GEAR?!
Casual vs Non casual
"Casuals" arnt casual
 
6. Racials
Will of the Forsaken? Perception? Stoneskin? Orc stun resist? 5% Tauren hp? Shadowmeld? This is ongoing topic from very beginning of WoW. First it was WoTF and now it’s mostly perception. Large amount of people agree that racials should be completely removed in arena, yet Blizzard have no announcements on this.  
 
Topic title examples:
@Racial removal
Racials are NOT equal
Perception and All Racials
 
5. Alterac Valley
AV needs own entry in top 15 list. It happens to be only battleground that isn't mirrored in WoW and that causes problems. Hordes think they never win AV, but so do alliances. People have made insane essays with dozens of pictures how Horde/Ally have immense advantages against each other. There have been NPC imbalances and geometry imbalances. Other whines are about how AV isn’t so cool anymore like when it was years ago when you had korrak and stuff.  
 
Topic title examples:
Horde STFU about AV
Heroic Alterac Valley
Alterac Valley map flow - Sun Tzu
 
4. Resilience
Ever heard how resilience is going to kill PVP, even kill wow? Ever since resi came out, there was loads of complaint how it destroys loads of specs. Some people think resi is like god given, some quit wow because of it. In WOTLK forums they have people petitioning removal of resilience, reason of worst wow addition ever. Now resilience has been extended to include mana drains and DOTs. That caused even more war like it hasn't been enough.
 
Topic title examples:
The ansewer to resilience?
resilience, good or bad?
Campaing for no resilience in WOTLK
 
3. Melee (armor penetration)
Most current subjects are S3 and S4 melee domination. Loads of people getting sick of 2 melee teams at 3v3 or even 3 melee teams in 5v5. This happened when armor pen came out available to PVP gear, ever since PVP forums have been filled how overpowered melees are. Whiners are mostly clothies who are getting trained in arena.
 
Topic title examples:
melee and PVP
Melee in S4
Melee in arena
 
2. Twinks
This has been huge deal since more people leveled up to 60. People getting bored to their main and pooled loads of cash to tune up their low level to outperform everybody in lower bracket of BGs just having insane gear. There have been HUGE whine topics about them just like multiboxing, how they require no skill, how doing that is cheating, how people at those brackets without twink gear have no chance and list goes on. Blizzard has been answering this for some extent, creating enchants for only level 35 and up. The twink flaming haven't still gone much extinct, instead it’s going to be bigger. In some battlegroups people even have twink arenas and premade matches in BGs and stuff. The recent trend may be twinking level 60s to AV.
 
Topic title examples:
Twinks - Scum of Azeroth
Twinks NEED to be stopped
Twinks - an unnecessary pain for new players?
Twinks ruined all low BGs
 
1. Class balance
Now that wasn't great surprise isn't it? Everybody is expecting this being nro. 1 since it's so obvious. Every day you get tons new topics whining something about some class. Years behind you had overpowered rogues and shamans, later you got op warlocks and warriors and recently druids. Rogues and Warriors has been pretty top choice since forever. Warriors maybe not that much since they do **** without support. This subject has been there since release and also in like every good game there. The basic life cycle: People get defeated by class x, they go to forums and whine about it and then get countered by guys who plays that class. Then people suggests fixes to issues, blizzard some time fixes it and now class y whines about class x changes since it will break other things etc etc. This is everliving subject, it will never die away since it is impossible to balance game perfectly.  
 
Since blizz started to ban people writing NERF topics, people started to disguise their nerf whines. One of the examples would be like "What class is easiest to play" or "What class is hardest to play" etc. One of the excuses can be also "Its not fun being r4ped by rog, plz fix".  
 
Topic title examples:
Water shield, does it need a nerf?
The state of mages in PVP
Most easiest class to play
Hunter + Druid = No skill
Please fix resto druids
Buff warriors even more
Sprint vs intercept
Mortal strike needs to be toned down
PALADINS COMPLETELY BALANCED


 
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ca parle quasi que de PvP   :o  
 
ce qui prouve que le jeu est parfait en PvE   :o  


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Raziel
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:44:49  profilanswer
 

Rayaki a écrit :


En plus, je ne sais pas sur quel corps de bataille tu es... mais 9 defaites de suite, faut avoir la poisse supreme en se retrouvant à chaque fois avec des monocéphales :D


Tu es bicéphale? [:wiids]

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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:49:49  profilanswer
 

Rayaki a écrit :


 
En plus, je ne sais pas sur quel corps de bataille tu es... mais 9 defaites de suite, faut avoir la poisse supreme en se retrouvant à chaque fois avec des monocéphales :D


 
Ou pas ! ça doit faire peur dans le cas contraire ... lol
 
bicéphale, adjectif : Qui a deux têtes
 
Les ally nous cacheraient ils leur vraie nature ? lol
 
 
 
 
 


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dajay a écrit :

Bon, ben la communauté rogue à pas l'air heureuse du patch. Et c'est un euphémisme.


c'est le souci de blizz ca, ils reagissent beaucoup trop aux whine :/
quand tu vois les rogues qui osent venir se plaindre :/

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dajay
Compassion leads to happiness
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:55:10  profilanswer
 


 
J'ai corrigé.

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gurb44
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 11:57:28  profilanswer
 

Wé, enfin, pour revenir au BG du Coté Ally, j'en fais un peu durant le levelling de mon mage et clairement, je suis meme pas à 10% de victoire ( 1victoire sur 12 Warsong ou Arathi) :/


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Grounded
Man with burning hair
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 12:00:31  profilanswer
 

bothary a écrit :

 

ca parle quasi que de PvP   :o

 

ce qui prouve que le jeu est parfait en PvE   :o


Ce qui prouve que les PVErs sont une espèce de farmeur chinois complètement formaté par le système [:aloy]

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Message édité par Grounded le 03-09-2008 à 12:00:48

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gurb44
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 12:02:56  profilanswer
 

Grounded a écrit :


Ce qui prouve que les PVErs sont une espèce de farmeur chinois complètement formaté par le système [:aloy]


Et pas les pvper qui se branlent sur les compos/anti-compo en fonction de l'évolution des talents sans prendre en considération le skill ? :D


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ozidivisio​n
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 12:07:32  profilanswer
 

Franchement je veux bien qu'on modifie alterac en faveur de la horde si on nous permet de gagner au moins 50% des autres BG.
Mais ca les H2 ne semblent pas le vouloir.
 
Les mecs, ils gagnent tous les BG et ils voudraient en plus gagner tous les alterac.
 :sarcastic:

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petoulachi
A fortiori, brigadier chef
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Posté le 03-09-2008 à 12:09:05  profilanswer
 

ozidivision a écrit :

Franchement je veux bien qu'on modifie alterac en faveur de la horde si on nous permet de gagner au moins 50% des autres BG.
Mais ca les H2 ne semblent pas le vouloir.
 
Les mecs, ils gagnent tous les BG et ils voudraient en plus gagner tous les alterac.
 :sarcastic:


Reroll horde et arrêtes de nous parler de ta vie en BG stp   [:itm]

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