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Pour les graphs on a tous a peu près la même chose ?
 
https://i.imgur.com/Ibe0sfu.png

Nice 47%

Nope
 

 
J'ai toussoté de rire.

 

 
Je suis nul de manière équilibrée

 
j'essaye de faire un maximum de passes depuis quelques jours, mais ça se voit pas encore sur les stats  

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Tout les résultats ici  
 
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Pas de C9 ?

A 0.2% près j'ai la même chose que toi

 
J'ai à peu près pareil aussi.

Les mecs a 50%+ de goals wtf
comment vous faites ?

On reste en l'air

Bah comme beaucoup de joueurs de RL ils savent pas défendre

 
Ils restent devant et se trouent sur les arrêts

 
https://gfycat.com/YellowishTanIberianemeraldlizard
 

 
1VS1

A haut niveau y a énormément de saves en 1v1 !

Qd tu peux faire que des saves ou des goals ca change les stats et le haut niveau c'est pas diamant Qd même :-)

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Non mais c'est n'imp, le mec veut punir les gens qui partent en casu parce qu'un mec fait équipe avec son pote rookie et que tu te retrouves à 2v3, et que le pote rookie est parfois pire qu'un bot ?  
On marche sur la tête.

Faut bien trouver une solution...
Le casual est infecte sur ce jeu, ca leave au 1er but a 10 secondes de match.

Mmhh non, le casu est horrible ça leave non stop. Il faut faire qqch

 
Ouais enfin si t'as un plat 1 avec des diam 2-3 tu vas pas jouer en ranked, et tu risques de tomber sur des équivalents plat 3 et avec tes 2 bons mates tu peux leur en coller 3-4... Enfin 2, vu qu'à 2-0 ils vont déjà quitter    
 
Puis franchement, c'est tellement dur de rester 5min dans un match ?

il pique bien celui ci    
 
https://gfycat.com/CanineWhoppingHarrier

Y a de trop gros problèmes de MM dans ce jeu. Je ne vois pas pourquoi tu ne jouerais pas avec un plat 1 si c'est un pote, c'est pas parce qu'il y a un écart de niveau que tu ne peux pas jouer compétitif avec tes potes. Et un plat 1 est capable de jouer et apporter un petit qqch tout de même à ce niveau.
Non à la place ils nous ont foutu un système de merde où l'ELO de l'équipe est égal à l'ELO du membre le plus élevé, ce qui est débile (tout ça pour éviter la triche, qui de toutes façons a toujours lieu vu que les gens smurfent à la place).
Ils ont donc implémenté un système anti-triche qui ne bloque pas la triche, et qui pénalise les joueurs legit.
 
Le normal c'est une purge, les gens quittent à 1-0 à 10 secondes, et dès qu'il y a 3-0, ta partie devient une véritable guirlande de noel avec des join/leave dans tous les sens et le lag qui va avec. Les seules parties que je termine sont celles que je perds (et encore, en soloQ quand je me retrouve seul avec deux bots, je leave ça n'a aucun intérêt, ni pour moi, ni pour mes adversaires).
 
Ce week-end on a fait quelques classées avec mozza et clark, clark étant quasi champ 2 à 1200 d'ELO et mozza et moi low diam 3 (redescendu diam 2 dans l'affaire), ben on se prend que des teams de 3 champions 1/2 en face. Champ 2 c'est clairement un autre niveau. On s'est pas trop mal démerdé au final, perso je m'en fiche de mon rank (mon seul souhait c'est de pouvoir être match contre des gens de mon niveau sans leave constante, diam2/3 ça me va), mais mozza et clark moins, et pour eux c'est clairement pas l'idéal.
 
Donc on fait quoi ? Le normal est injouable, le classé est biaisé. On arrête de jouer avec Clark ?

 
Ah mais me tombe pas dessus, moi je dis juste que c'est lourd de pas avoir des gens suffisamment intelligents pour jouer au moins une partie entière avant de switcher    
 
Puis surtout que bon, ça peut arriver de se prendre 5-0 par des mecs pas forcément meilleurs, et les gagner la suivante. Après, tu peux aussi constamment te faire péter en deux, mais déjà je comprends même pas que tu veuilles pas ta revanche en unranked    
 
Pour le classé, plus le niveau est élevé, plus les différences font mal je trouve. Je peux tenir du Champ 1, mais Champ 2 c'est souvent compliqué. Diam 2 et Diam 3 ça se vaut par contre. Du coup c'est de plus en plus compliqué de faire des winstreak en jouant à des niveaux un poil différents.

 
c'est triste mais on risque d'en arriver là
 
ou alors on le fait redescendre avec nous chez les diam2/3  

Je sais bien y a pas d'agressivité dans mes propos, je démontre juste que leur système est lourd. Perso je me sens bien à mon rank, si je veux monter je sais que je dois progresser et j'attends pas que le jeu me le donne. J'aime bien jouer en classé, ça apporte un petit plus d’adrénaline et d'envie de se dépasser, mais on a pas toujours 2 potes du même classement sous la main !
 
En normal, y a aussi des mecs qui enchaînent les parties et leavent systématiquement plutôt que de relancer tous ensemble, même si c'était une partie sympa et serrée, c'est bien dommage, surtout que quand tu relances tu retrouves 1 ou 2 mecs de la partie précédente..

Je veux etre diams moi aussi
 
Cette guerre psychologique pour l'atteindre...

un peu d'acrobatie dans ce monde de brutes  
 
https://gfycat.com/RightOrnateAsiandamselfly

Le "potato" rank, comment ?

Alpha Console

Diamond to Champion: A guide to breaking through the barrier.
 
Hey guys, I've been doing a lot of coaching and analysis these past few months and I've seen a lot of posts from Diamond level players requesting advice on improving to the next level. I had already begun putting together a list of common problems I've seen with the intention of gathering specific examples to create either a series of videos or gif examples to go with detailed descriptions, but since the end of the season is near, I figure I might as well release a text version outlining the common problems with brief explanations for those who are looking for help now.
 
Keep in mind that a lot of these explanations are kept pretty general in order to keep this already long post as brief as possible while remaining helpful.
 
I hope this list helps at least a few of you to make some changes for the better and break the plane to Champion. If you have any questions, then please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to further elaborate.
 
Creating offensive pressure.
Cheating for passes.
When you lose a challenge on the ball or when you're rotating back and you see that your teammate is going to challenge the ball uncontested, open up wide and give them the passing option.
 
Passing as the last man/not giving up possession.
Whenever you're the last man back and challenging a ball uncontested, look to the sides for a teammate to pass to, or clear the ball to the opposing corners. Hitting the ball directly to the goal (forcing a shot) is often giving up possession and generally results in a pass to the opponent.
 
Defensive rotations.
Wide rotations.
Take wide routes when rotating back so that you can maintain a full view of the field and the players as well as give yourself a favorable angle to approach the ball from. This means not driving backwards into the ball or into your teammates and not immediately turning to chase the ball when you lose it, but instead considering opening wide for a pass, or rotating away from the ball back to the goalie/sweeper position.
 
Goal-line rotations.
When you rotate back to goal, you want to go all of the way back, at least onto the goal line. A lot of players leave a gap between themselves and the goal line which makes them vulnerable to a cross into the middle or high above them while also limiting their vision. If you challenge from the goal, you guarantee that you're covering some of it and that your approach on the ball is providing force away from your side of the field. If you challenge at an angle from a outside of the goal, you're leaving the goal open and hoping to meet the ball at just the right moment. Any hit will also be angled towards the side wall or possibly back into your corner.
 
Now, in terms of where to position yourself as the goalie defending a cross, I like to look at it in terms of angles and approach. You, as the goalie, are the middle point. The front post is the first point (where the ball is coming from and the closest goal scoring position) and the player receiving the cross is the 3rd point. The 3 points creates an angle that you need to defend, meaning the cone of potential goal scoring positions. Your job is to make that angle as small as possible so as to limit the area you need to worry about. So, if the receiver is positioned in the middle, you want to angle yourself further back to decrease that angle. If they're far post, you want to be more towards the far post and also inside of the goal to get a better approach on a high, far post cross. If they're supporting for a near post cross, you can position yourself near post and not worry about the rest of the goal because it's not at risk. As for how to angle your car in these situations, you're in pretty good shape if you're facing half way between each point so that you can react to inside or outside crosses with ease.
 
Spider-Man defense.
Knowing when to protect the back wall is important. Keeping it as general as possible, you want to keep an eye out for moments where you have a goalie in place and the ball has the potential to launch high above the net. That's where the goalie is vulnerable and that's where you want to rotate through the far post and make the decision to drive up the wall and contest. This is a vague description and there are several exceptions, but it's good starting point.
 
Challenging dribblers early/disrupting as recovering player.
Never give a player room to dribble; it's incredibly dangerous. If you're rotating back and can catch a dribbler, your job is to challenge them (if your teammate isn't). It's the challengers job to disrupt them, so that the defender can easily challenge the result if not already won. If a player is dribbling down the line, there's no immediate threat to the goal. If the player is dribbling down the middle and you are last man, you have to challenge early and be sure to attack the top of the ball.
 
Trusting teammates.
Double commits are bad. If a teammate is in front of you, let them attack the ball. They make mistakes, but that's part of the game. Have their back. If you have a nice shot on goal and a teammate cuts in to attack it, let them have it. It's not worth the double commit. If a teammate cuts you off in rotation, let it be and cover for them. Be the best teammate you can be.
 
Buying time.
As the last man, your job is often not to challenge the ball, but to buy time for your teammates to recover. This means slowing down a dribbler by shadowing them if they're in mid field and not close to the goal. This also means not challenging any ball that isn't a certain win. Most importantly, this means staying in the goal when there isn't an immediate threat to it.
 
To elaborate on the last point, it's all too often that players will cheat out of the net to challenge someone dribbling down the line or into the corner. There's no immediate threat to the goal and your teammates are recovering. Worst case scenario when you stay in goal, they cross the ball and you have to defend it. Best case, you're patient and your teammate rotates in behind you, allowing for you to step in and challenge. Don't be the guy who rushes out for a 50/50 and leaves the net open. Too many stupid goals are scored this way.
 
Playing the supportive role.
Playing the probability game.
Reading the game is difficult but important. It's about rotation, but it also about positioning, distance, and angles. The way your car is facing matters. So, I suggest playing the probability game.
 
In any case when you're not the player contesting the ball and are playing the supporting role, you want to be constantly adjusting according to the likeliness of outcomes.
 
For example, let's say that the ball is in the air and your teammate is contesting it. There are 3 primary scenarios to consider:
 
Your teammate has a clear win. In this scenario, you want to be cheating up either in line with them or slightly ahead, looking to receive the ball, angling your car towards the opposite corner.
 
Your teammate enters a 50/50 with the opponent. When this happens, you want to be cautious and recognize where the ball won't go (directly behind each player). You want to then be positioned a bit more cautiously behind them and facing slightly backwards in a manner that will allow you a quick recovery if need be as well as the ability to quickly turn in and challenge a ball deflected in-field.
 
The opponent is going to win the contest. In this case, you want to be far enough back to be able to receive the hit, likely angled towards your back corner so as to cover a shot on net while also allowing you to step in and challenge a pass or and soft hit.
 
That may not be the greatest illustration, but I hope you get the idea.
 
Not getting sucked in.
As the last man, it's easy to get sucked in and let yourself drift out of position, especially when the play lingers in a single location. Be patient and keep your space because getting sucked in often gives the opponent a free goal if the ball deflects over you and you're forced to turn around to recover.
 
Staring at the ball/angling the car.
Referring again to angles, you don't want to stare directly at a ball that you're not contesting. If you have no chance of winning a ball, or if you're supporting a teammate with the ball, when the opponent contests it you want to be able to give yourself the freedom to react to wherever it goes. If you're staring straight at it, you're only allowing yourself to challenge a ball hit right to you or one that drops softly, or in the case of supporting your teammate on a 50/50, you're only making yourself available to help out in the case where they win the ball, which kind of defeats the purpose of playing the supporting role. Don't put yourself in a situation where a ball hit in the air or to the sides renders you useless and slow to track back.
 
To make this situation clearer, imagine the opponent is about to hit the ball from their goal. You're too far away to challenge it but too close to directly intercept a good, high hit. If you stare at the ball and they get that good hit high and on target, it's a goal that you won't be able to save. But if you position yourself more towards the side of the field and angle your car back towards your opposite corner, you are able to comfortably challenge that ball while also allowing yourself to turn in and challenge any softer hit.
 
Maintaining pressure and minimizing space/learning to play with partial boost.
The ability to pressure as a team is important. If you create too much space and go way out of your way to grab your back boost, you create a gap in your offensive pressure and leave yourself vulnerable to a counterattack with your teammates recovering. Learn how to play with partial boost and prioritize positioning over boost pads. Grab small pads and pay attention to the play. Too often do players panic and rush back to defense when they have 30 boost, their team is pressuring with an advantage, and end up not being there to pressure a ball or hit an easy tap in goal.
 
Controlling the midfield.
Ground passes
If you're taking over possession from your side or are dribbling down the field with space, look across the field for your teammate. Ground passes are so incredibly useful and difficult to defend it's not even funny. Look for that pass and learn how to hit it hard.
 
Forcing shots.
When you don't have an obviously dangerous shot on net, meaning you aren't in close proximity with a direct approach, or a decent angle with a goalie who is absent or not ready, then don't take the shot. Hit the ball to the side and follow it for a cross, or pop it over the net for a pass. Don't give up possession. The same goes for when you have space in mid-field and hit an uncertain shot when you have a teammate open or space to take another touch or 2. Be smarter. I mentioned it earlier, but don't hit your clears directly to the defender in the center of the field. There will always be exceptions, but if you're going to shoot the ball, be sure that it has a good chance of going in, or that the goalie will be forced to make an uncomfortable save that can potentially be rebounded or crossed back in.
 
Taking to the wall.
Especially in 3s, you have to be quick. Learn to trap the ball and dribble immediately to the wall to create offensive pressure. Don't dribble through the middle of the field unless you're absolutely comfortable doing so. There is so much pressure in 3s that often times the only effective solution is to flick the ball within 1 or 2 seconds.
 
Pressuring the midfield.
Respecting opponents.
Never assume that your opponent is going to miss the ball (unless it's blatantly obvious). So, the moment you realize that you're going to lose a challenge, don't go for it. For example, if a ball pops in the air and you want to get an aerial challenge, the moment you see an opponent go into the air before you is the moment you should assume the challenge is lost. Rather than going in late and risking missing the ball and landing on the opponent's side of the field with no boost, position yourself to receive the next hit or the one after. If you're last man, rotate back and look to receive the opponent's hit for a clear, a pass, or a controlled dribble. If you're not the last man back. Be patient, watch the hit, and if you're teammate is going to get a free hit on it, open up for a pass. Otherwise, rotate back and be ready to cover in goal after they challenge.
 
Awareness driving away from the ball/using the camera.
This is a big one. Any time you're driving away from the ball, meaning your car is angled close to 90 degrees or greater in relation to the ball and you can't see what's in front of you, you need to use your camera to take a look. If you don't, you won't have the awareness to open up for plays or position yourself properly and you risk getting in your teammate's way, bumping them, and double committing.
 
Patience.
It's been discussed here already, but the ability to control the pace of the game is important. Don't force shots or clears when you have time. Don't rush a hit on the ball from a tight angle when you have time to widen your approach. Don't challenge an opponent who has a clear advantage when you can slow down and make yourself available to challenge a dribble. Don't cut in on your defensive rotation to challenge a ball in the corner only to hit it directly into the wall. Instead, take a wide approach to the net and challenge it from there.
 
General rotation.
Lingering around the ball / decisiveness.
Something I tell people a lot is that the most important thing they can be is decisive, even if it's the wrong move for them to make. Take for example a ball in the air that you're thinking about contesting. If you don't go up right away or you don't immediately turn back, your teammate won't know your intentions. Rather than confusing them and forcing them to either challenge a ball that you then challenge and double commit on, or forcing them to stay back on defense when they did have a really good approach on the ball only for it to go unchallenged by both of you, just make a decision. As long as you make a decision, right or wrong, your teammate will have all of the information necessary to make a decision of their own. So, if you ever find yourself lingering or contemplating a challenge, it's probably better to just turn back.
 
Disrupt players in your natural path.
Demolitions are great and very useful, but you don't want to go out of your way to attempt them. Instead, look for openings in your natural path to make some trouble. For example, if I challenge the ball in the opponent's right corner, the moment my job is done, I know that I have to rotate away from the right wall, through the midfield and into the last man role. Because the goal line is in my rotational path, it's a good idea to take ball cam off and look to get a demo or a bump. But don't take too long chasing a player, bumping them multiple times, or letting yourself chase them into their goal because you want to keep rotation quick and fluid.
 
source : https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeag [...] cketLeague

Tout ce que je lis c'est effectivement bcp d'erreurs commises meme en platine 3.
 
Trusting teammates.
Double commits are bad. If a teammate is in front of you, let them attack the ball. They make mistakes, but that's part of the game. Have their back. If you have a nice shot on goal and a teammate cuts in to attack it, let them have it. It's not worth the double commit. If a teammate cuts you off in rotation, let it be and cover for them. Be the best teammate you can be.
 
Ca c'est le pire. Combien de fois mon teammate pop depuis mon dos pour taper la meme balle que moi, qui resulte en un gloubi boulga infame et la balle repart tout droit vers notre but. Les adversaires n'ont plus qu'à la pousser tranquillement

Moi c'est celle là qui m’embête le plus :
 
General rotation.  
Lingering around the ball / decisiveness.  
Something I tell people a lot is that the most important thing they can be is decisive, even if it's the wrong move for them to make. Take for example a ball in the air that you're thinking about contesting. If you don't go up right away or you don't immediately turn back, your teammate won't know your intentions. Rather than confusing them and forcing them to either challenge a ball that you then challenge and double commit on, or forcing them to stay back on defense when they did have a really good approach on the ball only for it to go unchallenged by both of you, just make a decision. As long as you make a decision, right or wrong, your teammate will have all of the information necessary to make a decision of their own. So, if you ever find yourself lingering or contemplating a challenge, it's probably better to just turn back.  
 
 
C'est le truc que je reproche le plus et je pourrais citer une bonne partie de mes camarades habituels de jeu ici
Ca me met très souvent en mauvaise position, car je fonce pour prendre le challenge suivant, et la personne reste sur place sous la balle, sans élan, sans boost et regarde ce qui se passe sans bouger. Ce qui arrive souvent ensuite c'est :
Soit je fonce, et souvent la personne fait une touche de merde sur le côté qui fait que rate la balle ou je fonce carrément dans elle.
Soit j'hésite, je m'arrête au milieu de mon trajet et l'adversaire tape dans la balle et je suis super mal placé pour réagir, ça mène souvent à des buts.
 
Imo le seul moment où ça vaut le coup de rester autour de la balle c'est si tu es certain que ton équipe ne pourra pas contest la balle, et de lui faire gagner un peu de temps.
 
 
Dans l'ensemble je me retrouve pas mal dans ce qui est dit, mon problème pour passer champion est ailleurs

la manette surement

Ouais je me suis toujours demandé si je devrais pas plutôt jouer au clavier