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jkley	Heu j'avoue que je n'ai rien compris à ce que tu as copié dans ton post, mais voici la liste des OIDs ajoutées grace à snmp-informant : http://www.wtcs.org/informant/ADV- [...] d-tree.htm

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jkley

Heu j'avoue que je n'ai rien compris à ce que tu as copié dans ton post, mais voici la liste des OIDs ajoutées grace à snmp-informant :

http://www.wtcs.org/informant/ADV- [...] d-tree.htm

k666	mmm je sais pas comment l'activer :'(

k666

yes j'ai vu ca, c'est cool :)

par contre j'ai installé, j'ai relancé le service snmp de windows mais je ne vois pas de nouveaux oid apparaitre ?
voici un diff de ce que j'avais avant puis apres ....

domainserver scripts # cat /tmp/diffs_snmp
3c3
< SNMPv2-MIB::sysUpTime.0 4:22:01:06.65
---
> SNMPv2-MIB::sysUpTime.0 0:0:00:14.06
27,30c27,30
< IF-MIB::ifInOctets.1 24936601
< IF-MIB::ifInOctets.16777219 436284088
< IF-MIB::ifInUcastPkts.1 492786
< IF-MIB::ifInUcastPkts.16777219 2608667
---
> IF-MIB::ifInOctets.1 24939532
> IF-MIB::ifInOctets.16777219 438267244
> IF-MIB::ifInUcastPkts.1 492844
> IF-MIB::ifInUcastPkts.16777219 2625280
32c32
< IF-MIB::ifInNUcastPkts.16777219 1494426
---
> IF-MIB::ifInNUcastPkts.16777219 1494624
38,42c38,42
< IF-MIB::ifInUnknownProtos.16777219 366332
< IF-MIB::ifOutOctets.1 24936601
< IF-MIB::ifOutOctets.16777219 2943808362
< IF-MIB::ifOutUcastPkts.1 492786
< IF-MIB::ifOutUcastPkts.16777219 3627317
---
> IF-MIB::ifInUnknownProtos.16777219 366380
> IF-MIB::ifOutOctets.1 24939532
> IF-MIB::ifOutOctets.16777219 2945484154
> IF-MIB::ifOutUcastPkts.1 492844
> IF-MIB::ifOutUcastPkts.16777219 3644000
44c44
< IF-MIB::ifOutNUcastPkts.16777219 8434
---
> IF-MIB::ifOutNUcastPkts.16777219 8435
55c55
< IP-MIB::ipInReceives.0 3667233
---
> IP-MIB::ipInReceives.0 3683946
61,62c61,62
< IP-MIB::ipInDelivers.0 3664836
< IP-MIB::ipOutRequests.0 4107962
---
> IP-MIB::ipInDelivers.0 3681549
> IP-MIB::ipOutRequests.0 4124666
145,151c145,151
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.0.0.0.0 252
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.10.62.48.0 3014238
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.10.62.48.86 3014238
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.10.255.255.255 3014238
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.127.0.0.0 3014238
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.224.0.0.0 3014238
< RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.255.255.255.255 3014238
---
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.0.0.0.0 619
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.10.62.48.0 3014605
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.10.62.48.86 3014605
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.10.255.255.255 3014605
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.127.0.0.0 3014605
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.224.0.0.0 3014605
> RFC1213-MIB::ipRouteAge.255.255.255.255 3014605
176d175
< IP-MIB::ipNetToMediaIfIndex.16777219.10.62.48.88 16777219
182d180
< IP-MIB::ipNetToMediaPhysAddress.16777219.10.62.48.88 0:12:3f:ec:d0:96
188d185
< IP-MIB::ipNetToMediaNetAddress.16777219.10.62.48.88 10.62.48.88
194d190
< IP-MIB::ipNetToMediaType.16777219.10.62.48.88 dynamic
248,254c244,250
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.0.0.0.0.3.0.10.62.48.253 252
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.10.62.48.0.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014238
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.10.62.48.86.2.0.127.0.0.1 3014238
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.10.255.255.255.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014238
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.127.0.0.0.2.0.127.0.0.1 3014238
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.224.0.0.0.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014238
< IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.255.255.255.255.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014238
---
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.0.0.0.0.3.0.10.62.48.253 619
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.10.62.48.0.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014605
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.10.62.48.86.2.0.127.0.0.1 3014605
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.10.255.255.255.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014605
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.127.0.0.0.2.0.127.0.0.1 3014605
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.224.0.0.0.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014605
> IP-MIB::ip.24.2.1.8.255.255.255.255.2.0.10.62.48.86 3014605
334,335c330,331
< TCP-MIB::tcpActiveOpens.0 19793
< TCP-MIB::tcpPassiveOpens.0 34417
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpActiveOpens.0 19795
> TCP-MIB::tcpPassiveOpens.0 34421
339,341c335,337
< TCP-MIB::tcpInSegs.0 1806799
< TCP-MIB::tcpOutSegs.0 2811184
< TCP-MIB::tcpRetransSegs.0 620
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpInSegs.0 1821051
> TCP-MIB::tcpOutSegs.0 2825489
> TCP-MIB::tcpRetransSegs.0 625
381,384c377,380
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3551 timeWait
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3572 timeWait
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2154 timeWait
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2155 timeWait
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3600 timeWait
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3621 timeWait
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2158 timeWait
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnState.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2159 timeWait
424,427c420,423
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3551 10.62.48.86
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3572 10.62.48.86
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2154 10.62.48.86
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2155 10.62.48.86
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3600 10.62.48.86
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3621 10.62.48.86
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2158 10.62.48.86
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2159 10.62.48.86
467,470c463,466
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3551 8888
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3572 8888
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2154 9999
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2155 9999
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3600 8888
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3621 8888
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2158 9999
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnLocalPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2159 9999
510,513c506,509
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3551 10.62.48.88
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3572 10.62.48.88
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2154 10.62.48.86
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2155 10.62.48.86
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3600 10.62.48.88
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3621 10.62.48.88
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2158 10.62.48.86
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemAddress.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2159 10.62.48.86
553,556c549,552
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3551 3551
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3572 3572
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2154 2154
< TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2155 2155
---
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3600 3600
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.8888.10.62.48.88.3621 3621
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2158 2158
> TCP-MIB::tcpConnRemPort.10.62.48.86.9999.10.62.48.86.2159 2159
559c555
< UDP-MIB::udpInDatagrams.0 1802863
---
> UDP-MIB::udpInDatagrams.0 1805320
562c558
< UDP-MIB::udpOutDatagrams.0 1297575
---
> UDP-MIB::udpOutDatagrams.0 1299965
583,584c579,580
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInPkts.0 1190014
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpOutPkts.0 1190014
---
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInPkts.0 579
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpOutPkts.0 579
594c590
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInTotalReqVars.0 1190022
---
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInTotalReqVars.0 589
596,597c592,593
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInGetRequests.0 5472
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInGetNexts.0 1184555
---
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInGetRequests.0 0
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpInGetNexts.0 592
602c598
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpOutNoSuchNames.0 2
---
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpOutNoSuchNames.0 0
608c604
< SNMPv2-MIB::snmpOutGetResponses.0 1190038
---
> SNMPv2-MIB::snmpOutGetResponses.0 603
611,612c607,608
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSystemUptime.0 348:20:59:01.40
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSystemDate.0 2005-11-15,9:33:26.9
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSystemUptime.0 348:21:57:28.12
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSystemDate.0 2005-11-15,9:39:17.6
616c612
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSystemProcesses.0 33
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSystemProcesses.0 34
645c641
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageUsed.2 567797
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageUsed.2 568688
648c644
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageUsed.5 3041
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageUsed.5 3159
823a820
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunIndex.1200 1200
826d822
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunIndex.1404 1404
828a825
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunIndex.1560 1560
829a827
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunIndex.1760 1760
856a855
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunName.1200 "snmp.exe"
859d857
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunName.1404 "snmp.exe"
861a860
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunName.1560 "mmc.exe"
862a862
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunName.1760 "wuauclt.exe"
889a890
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunID.1200 SNMPv2-SMI::zeroDotZero
892d892
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunID.1404 SNMPv2-SMI::zeroDotZero
894a895
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunID.1560 SNMPv2-SMI::zeroDotZero
895a897
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunID.1760 SNMPv2-SMI::zeroDotZero
922a925
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPath.1200 ""
925d927
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPath.1404 ""
927a930
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPath.1560 ""
928a932
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPath.1760 ""
955a960
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunParameters.1200 ""
958d962
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunParameters.1404 ""
960a965
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunParameters.1560 ""
961a967
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunParameters.1760 ""
988a995
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunType.1200 application
991d997
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunType.1404 application
993a1000
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunType.1560 application
994a1002
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunType.1760 application
1021a1030
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunStatus.1200 running
1024d1032
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunStatus.1404 running
1026a1035
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunStatus.1560 running
1027a1037
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunStatus.1760 running
1029,1030c1039,1040
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1 595193057
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.8 9712
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1 595257190
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.8 9726
1034,1035c1044,1045
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.176 707
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.224 83251
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.176 726
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.224 83276
1037c1047
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.412 29
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.412 31
1040c1050
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.492 575
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.492 576
1043,1044c1053,1054
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.640 15942
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.648 7185470
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.640 15945
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.648 7186323
1051,1052c1061,1062
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1048 807
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1068 170392
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1048 810
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1068 171967
1055c1065,1066
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1268 122265
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1200 4
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1268 122493
1057d1067
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1404 8153
1059a1070
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1560 53
1060a1072
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfCPU.1760 3
1066,1071c1078,1083
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.172 3132 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.176 2376 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.224 7212 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.236 1052 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.412 3832 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.440 4020 KBytes
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.172 3144 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.176 2440 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.224 8568 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.236 1244 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.412 3836 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.440 4028 KBytes
1073c1085
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.492 7632 KBytes
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.492 7652 KBytes
1077c1089
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.648 31184 KBytes
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.648 32328 KBytes
1079c1091
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.900 3472 KBytes
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.900 3476 KBytes
1084,1085c1096,1097
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1048 276 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1068 7772 KBytes
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1048 512 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1068 7840 KBytes
1087,1091c1099,1103
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1100 5484 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1268 6528 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1392 3256 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1404 3940 KBytes
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1428 1528 KBytes
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1100 5620 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1200 2952 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1268 1980 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1392 3352 KBytes
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1428 1532 KBytes
1092a1105
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1560 6140 KBytes
1093a1107
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRunPerfMem.1760 3732 KBytes
1095,1096c1109,1110
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledLastChange.0 4:22:01:07.98
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledLastUpdateTime.0 4:22:01:07.98
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledLastChange.0 0:0:00:14.28
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledLastUpdateTime.0 0:0:00:14.28
1115c1129,1130
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.1 "7-Zip 3.11"
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledIndex.19 19
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.1 "7-Zip 4.29 beta"
1130,1132c1145,1148
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.16 "TightVNC 1.2.9"
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.17 "C.O.T.S."
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.18 "WebFldrs"
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.16 "SNMP Informant Agent (Standard Edition)"
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.17 "TightVNC 1.2.9"
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.18 "C.O.T.S."
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledName.19 "WebFldrs"
1150a1167
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledID.19 SNMPv2-SMI::zeroDotZero
1169c1186,1187
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.1 2005-7-20,2:12:38.0
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledType.19 application
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.1 2005-11-15,9:35:42.0
1184,1186c1202,1205
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.16 2005-7-26,10:24:36.0
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.17 2005-7-20,10:59:6.0
< HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.18 2005-7-20,13:36:54.0
---
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.16 2005-11-15,9:38:14.0
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.17 2005-7-26,10:24:36.0
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.18 2005-7-20,10:59:6.0
> HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWInstalledDate.19 2005-7-20,13:36:54.0

jkley

la version light est gratuite !
Et permet de monitorer la charge CPU, la ram, et le disque dur si je me rappelle bien

k666	merci ! etant donnee la simplicite du protocole et des donnees que je cherche a monitorer je me demandais s'il n'existait pas un truc gratos gpl

jkley

Salut,

regarde par là : http://www.snmp-informant.com/

k666	salut je monitore un parc de serveurs dell sous windows 2000 avec snmp, mais je n'arrive pas à voir dans le domaine public la charge cpu. ya t'il une façon d'avoir ce genre d'infos avec un truc m$ de base ou soft gratuit ? merci !